“Damien, do you believe creation could be a possibility yet very improbable, even life itself at a single cell level evolving there after pending creator’s Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence ???” – Questioner
My response, “I can only assess the possibility of things from the reference limited to reality, so no.”
“Reality as determined through a sensory filter that demonstrably cannot detect 90% of said reality. We’re peeking in on reality through a keyhole. There’s more than meets the eye. While nothing is what it seems, how can what we see be what we get?” – Challenger
My response, Reality is only assessed by tests in reality so do you have some valid non-realty method?
“Those tests are unfortunately locked onto our sensory filter. Our senses are fallible and only work on 10% of the bigger picture.” – Challenger
My response, so, no test method that is outside reality means all we know as I said is reality, right?
“We don’t know what reality is, dear friend. In fact the brightest minds in the world are leaning towards the nature of reality being in fact, not at all real. ” – Challenger
To make the “anti-claim” is a hidden acceptance of reality to gain such knowledge so you already are seemingly agreeing with my reality to know reality starting point. If you don’t start with my reality point what do you think you gather this claimed non-reality evidence that we do not know reality? I feel your claim attaches not an understanding of reality to even then go to justifying it thus you appeal presuppositional to the thing you mean to use to then say you don’t know it but you claim to know that so a full knowledge claim of a lack of knowledge claim?
“I don’t believe in reality, Damien. My own research has lead me to the conclusion that reality is a simulation. How can I accept any individual’s interpretation of reality when I don’t believe in reality?” – Challenger
My response, you don’t believe in reality because what justification that is not appealing to this reality? To ask, “How can I accept any individual’s interpretation of reality” is a what doubt of yourself or others? You already said the opposite, that you believe the thinking of the brightest minds in the world are leaning towards the nature of reality being in fact, not at all real. So, you appealed both to the reality of others and that they can be trusted, right?
“I don’t believe in reality for a vast array of reasons. I could never sum it up in a simple phrase. For instance the relativistic effect of supposed reality makes me suspect of its true nature. Everything about reality is relative to the consciousness interpreting it. There’s no static reality, what us true for some minds is false to others and vice versa.” – Challenger
My response, So, is this “relativistic effect” is a test in reality or outside reality, or some other non-reality thing? “Everything about reality is relative to the consciousness interpreting it.” Let’s ponder this knowledge claim about reality, claiming to know but not? You know this or do you simply like it and I guess, are unjustifiably believe this?
“Sure. Reality to an insect colony is nothing like reality for a bird, or indeed a human consciousness. The world is wholly different to each individual consciousness, and in this strict context they’re mutually valid.” – Challenger
My response, Relativistic effects are important for the heavier elements with high atomic numbers. So you agree there is reality just how we understand it is not complete?
“Time is also relative. Two minds experiencing the same thing can have totally opposite interpretation. No, I simply don’t believe in reality.” – Challenger
My response, ok, but that is referring to different perception in reality not a removing of reality, right?
“Yes but the fact that these two totally conflicting view points both carry equal validity means that consensus reality and personal reality are two different things. There’s so many kinds of reality that you can’t peg down a definition. Attempts to do so are at least esoteric and at most nebulous. Indeed why believe in reality at all? I can’t think of one reason. ” – Challenger
My response, that is not how science works as there are better models and less effective models and you have not yet used an effective model outside reality to make a anti-reality claim and so do many smart people, so they are like most making unjustified claims about reality all the while appealing to reality (all can and do error even me but that does not remove truth does it. Don’t forget you did make several seeming truth claims.
“I have the simulation hypothesis. Research it, my friend. ” – Challenger
My response, thinking is occurring and it is both accessible as well as guided by what feels like me; thus, it is rational to assume I have a thinking mind, so, I exist. But, some skeptics challenge reality or certainty (although are themselves appealing to reason or rationality that it self they seem to accept almost a priori themselves to me). Brain in a vat or jar, Evil Demon in your mind, Matrix world as your mind, & Hologram world as your reality are some arguments in the denial or challenge of reality or certainty.
The use of “Brain in a vat” type thought experiment scenarios are common as an argument for philosophical skepticism and solipsism, against rationalism and empiricism or any belief in the external world’s existence. Such thought experiment arguments do have a value are with the positive intent to draw out certain features or remove unreasoned certainty in our ideas of knowledge, reality, truth, mind, and meaning. However, these are only valuable as though challenges to remember the need to employ Disciplined-Rationality and the ethics of belief, not to take these thought experiment arguments as actual reality. Brain in a vat/jar, Evil Demon, Matrix world, and Hologram world are logical fallacies if assumed as a reality representations. First is the problem that they make is a challenge (alternative hypotheses) thus requiring their own burden of proof if they are to be seen as real. Second is the problem that they make in the act of presupposition in that they presuppose the reality of a real world with factual tangible things like Brains and that such real things as human brains have actual cognition and that there are real world things like vats or jars and computers invented by human beings with human real-world intelligence and will to create them and use them for intellectually meaningful purposes. Third is the problem of valid and reliable slandered as doubt is an intellectual professes needing to offer a valid and reliable slandered to who, what, why, and how they are proposing Philosophical Skepticism, Solipsism and the Denial of Reality or Certainty. Though one cannot on one had say I doubt everything and not doubt even that. One cannot say nothing can be known for certain, as they violate this very thought, as they are certain there is no certainty. The ability to think of reasonable doubt (methodological Skepticism) counteracts the thinking of unreasonable doubt (Philosophical Skepticism’s external world doubt and Solipsism). Philosophical skepticism is a method of reasoning which questions the possibility of knowledge is different than methodological skepticism is a method of reasoning, which questions knowledge claims with the goal finding what has warrant, justification to validate the truth or false status of beliefs or propositions. Fourth is the problem that external world doubt and Solipsism creates issues of reproducibility, details and extravagancy. Reproducibility such as seen in experiments, observation and real world evidence, scientific knowledge, scientific laws, and scientific theories. Details such as the extent of information to be contained in one mind such as trillions of facts and definable data and/or evidence. And extravagancy such as seen in the unreasonable amount of details in general and how that also brings the added strain to reproducibility and memorability. Extravagancy in the unreasonable amount of details also interacts with axiological and ethical reasoning such as why if there is no real world would you create rape, torture, or suffering of almost unlimited variations. Why not just rape but child rape not just torture but that of innocent children who would add that and the thousands of ways it can and does happen in the external world. Extravagancy is unreasonable, why a massive of cancers and infectious things, millions of ways to be harmed, suffer and die etc. There is a massive amount of extravagancy in infectious agents if the external world was make-believe because of infectious agents come in an unbelievable variety of shapes, sizes and types like bacteria, viruses, fungi, protozoa, and parasites. Therefore, the various types of pleasure and pain both seem an unreasonable extravagancy in a fake external world therefore the most reasonable conclusion is the external world is a justified true belief. Fifth is the problem that axiological or ethical thinking would say we only have what we understand and must curtail behavior ethically to such understanding. Think of ability to give consent having that reasoning ability brings with it the requirement of being responsible for our behaviors. If one believes the external world is not real, they remove any value (axiology) in people, places or things and if the external world is not real there is no behavior or things to interact with (ethics) so nothing can be helped or harmed by actions as there is no actions or ones acting them or having them acting for or against. In addition, if we do not know is we are actually existing or behaving in the real world we also are not certain we are not either, demanding that we must act as if it is real (pragmatically) do to ethical and axiological concerns which could be true. Because if we do act ethically and the reality of the external world is untrue we have done nothing but if we act unethical as if the reality of the external world is untrue and it is in fact real we have done something to violate ethics. Then the only right way to navigate the ethics of belief in such matters would say one should behave as though the external world is real. In addition, axiological or ethical thinking and the cost-benefit analysis of belief in the existence of the external world support and highly favors belief in the external world’s existence. Solipsism (from Latin solus, meaning “alone”, and ipse, meaning “self”) is the philosophical idea that only one’s own mind is sure to exist. To me, solipsism is trying to limit itself to rationalism only to, of, or by itself. Everyone, including a Solipsist, as the mind to which all possible knowledge flows; consider this, if you think you can reject rational thinking as the base of everything, what other standard can you champion that does not at its core return to the process of mind as we do classify people by intelligence. If you cannot use rationalism what does this mean, irrationalism? A Solipsist, is appealing to rationalism as we only have our mind or the minds of others to help navigate the world accurately as possible. Okay let’s think about your claim, “I have the simulation hypothesis.” in which I am guessing, you don’t appeal to anything in reality to reach such a thinking?
“Do the research. Yes it’s a testable hypothesis, and some scientists are so convinced that they’re looking for errors in the code. You don’t mean to tell me you’re afraid of a little research? No, I won’t spoon feed it to you. The keys are in your hands. ” – Challenger
My response, I already have and I reject it fully, as I did here; unless if you now can disprove all my challenges about the starting point philosophic reference being the reality your effort to use to deny reality relatively not objectively and you think I am the one needing more research? Okay let’s think about your claim, “a testable hypothesis” in which I am guessing, you don’t appeal to anything in reality to reach such a thinking?