So, Is bible god Ethical?
How could you prove god is not just ethically arbitrary thus neither ethical nor fallows ethics?
I bet believers would recoil in horror at the question!
But how can we even NOT ask such a thing?
If we are to fallow any ethical theory it’s only ethical to do so.
The problem is, however, that many christians apparently do NOT think of god as ethical. No doubt they THINK that they do, but I must respectfully disagree to not test an ethical claim or ethically challenge an ethical reasoning is to not fallow reasoning about ethical justification thus proofless and ethically questionable.
To be ethical is to act (in thought, word, and deed) according to, consistently with, an ethical standard, ultimately a “the highest good” is what would have to be for god to be found ethical. But does God in thought, word, and deed act ethically?
Christians claim that “Whatever god does is good just because he does it.” That is, in effect, to deny that god is ethical nor in any way challenge an ethical reasoning. What they mean, I take it, is that god is above ethics, that there is no ethical standard, norm, by which god thinks, speaks or acts but this still means god is not ethical nor fallows ethics.
The only ethic we can derive from god is “divine command ethics.” But the question naturally arises “Why does god command things?” From this perspective (viz., that god is above ethics), the only answer can be that he does because he chooses to.
But, ultimately, then if divine commands are arbitrary. God is arbitrary not ethical nor fallows ethics.
Would It Be Bad or Good if God Exists? (an axiological question)
For example, it’s possible to be a theist, believing that, God’s existence would increase the net value in the world. Conversely, it’s also possible to be a theist believing that, God’s existence would decrease the net value in the world. Perhaps this is the difference between a mere axiological theist and a theist who is an axiological atheist (anti-theistic).
Moreover, it’s possible to be an atheist, but wish that God existed because one believes that, on balance, God’s existence would increase the net value in the world. Conversely, it’s also possible to be an atheist and be quite happy that God doesn’t exist because one believes that, on balance, God’s existence would decrease the net value in the world. Perhaps this is the difference between an atheist who is an axiological theist and an atheist who is an axiological atheist (anti-theistic).
If a god anything was real and good it would not be the harmful world we have. Therefore, no god is good but as gods are often claimed as good so no such gods exist. This is an axiological atheist argument also called the argument from evil.God of the bible if real would be an unethical father! The ethics violations start before the eating of the so-called tree of knowledge. Remember before eating it they DID NOT understand good and evil thus they did not commit a crime any more than a baby who lacks understanding. But its worse god the father put this dangerous tree there, to begin with not good parenting then allows a bad being influence them good parents don’t put defenseless children with harmful individuals and dangerous objects. So truly its god who a court of law would find negligence, not the children. But it is even worse for god set it up to fail. Just think even if Adam and Eve never ate nor did anyone for a thousand years it would only take one failure eating and all of humanity is doomed. Thus, its gods booby trap forcing sin not man’s fall gods fall from parental care ethics. So if the story was true which it is not god would be the one lacking any ethics and be a terrible father.
Axiological/axiology (value theory/value science) atheism?
“Axiological Atheism can be thought to involve ethical/value theory reasoned and moral argument driven apatheism, ignosticism, atheism, anti-theism, anti-religionism, secularism, and humanism.”
My quick definition of Axiology?
Axiology is a philosophy (value theory) and a social science (formal axiology) mainly involving the “what, why, and how” of “value” the way epistemology approaches “knowledge” as in what is of value/good/worth/beneficial/ or useful? Why is the thing in a question of value/good/worth/beneficial/ or useful?
And of course, How should the value/good/worth/beneficial/ or useful be interacted with?
Philosophic Axiology (value theory) and Scientific Axiology (formal axiology)
Formal Axiology: Another Victim in Religion’s War on Science
*(axiology as philosophy) value theory/the theory of values, meta-ethics/morality or aesthetics:
“Value theory encompasses a range of approaches to understanding how, why, and to what degree persons value things; whether the object or subject of valuing is a person, idea, object, or anything else. Intuitively, theories of value must be important to ethics. This investigation began in ancient philosophy, where it is called axiology or ethics.”
*(axiology as science) formal axiology/the theory of values, meta-ethics/morality or aesthetics:
“Formal axiology is a branch of axiology in general. Axiology in general or “as such” is value theory in all its ramifications, ranging from meta-theory to ethics, aesthetics, logic, and any other dimension of human interest that involves questions of good and evil, right and wrong, correctness or incorrectness, beauty and ugliness, truth and falsity, and every other conceivable value issue, dimension, or interest. Formal axiology, focuses initially upon the most formal features of human values, then upon applications of these formalities to the concrete details of what we value (values) and how we value (valuations). Robert S. Hartman created a logically abstract (he would say “synthetic”) to features of all human values and valuations; the formal definition of “good” or “value,” which he regarded as the “axiom” of formal axiology — Good is concept (or standard) fulfilment, the three basic kinds of value, intrinsic, extrinsic, and systemic, the hierarchy of value, where the three basic kinds of value are themselves ranked with respect to their relative worth, an association of the three basic kinds of value with set theory and transfinite mathematics.”
axiology/axiologist: noun, axiological: adjective, axiologically: adverb
Roughly understood axiological atheism = Strong Disbelief as well as Strong Secularism and Humanism.
The Axiological Analysis of God?
If you use axiological analysis to evaluate the value status of imagination compared to the reality of such a thing as a god concept, it must be accounted as simply an empty statement or a meaningless term with no realness and only imagination (ignosticism). Thus the axiological analysis confirms a god concept has no value as a term in reality.
So while atheism is, of course, warranted because you should reject concepts that are not true. In a way atheism, agnosticism and theism are equally nonsensical because one states a belief in a meaningless term (theism), another states a lack of belief about knowledge to believe or reject belief in a meaningless term (agnosticism), and the other (atheism) is a rejecting of belief in a meaningless term but all are in this way acting as if a meaningless term, “god” has meaning. The denial of the existence of such a meaningless term as “god” is more sensible than an affirmation of its reality or possibility which is simply nonsense and a creation of imagination.
To even say you don’t know the possibility of the existence of such a meaningless term as “god” is to first accept an acknowledgment of a meaningless term, “god” without meaning or knowledge to a knowledge empty statement.
Ignosticism or igtheism, is the idea that every theological position assumes too much about the concept of God and other theological concepts; including (but not limited to) concepts of faith, spirituality, heaven, hell, afterlife, damnation, salvation, sin and the soul.
Axiological Measurement: Axiological Analysis of a Concept and/or Concept relations.
Axiology is the study of the nature of values and value judgment.
All objects and values can be conceived to be of an intrinsic, an extrinsic, or a systemic nature. The definition of “an axiological value” contains the formal relation of the intention of a concept (norm) and its extension (object). An object has value to the degree that it fulfills the intention of its concept. Operationally expressed this means that the value is a measure of how well objects stand up to norms. The part of the norm that is fulfilled is defined as a positive value, and the part that is non-fulfilled is defined as a negative value.
Damien Marie AtHope: Axiological Atheist
“Axiological atheism: (Ethical/Value theory Reasoned and Moral Argument driven) Atheism, Anti-theism, Anti-religionism, and Secular Humanism”
I am an axiological atheist?
If you wonder what that means here is a little on that:
Axiological Atheism, axiological (value theory and or value science) atheism, also considered a constructive form of atheism. Axiological Atheism not only rejects the existence of god(s) it favors things with real meaning and value like humans and humanity as well as the science of value in formal axiology. This form of atheism favors humanity as the absolute source of ethics and values, and permits individuals to resolve moral problems without resorting to mythical things like gOD(s). Marx, Freud, and Sartre all used this argument of axiological atheism whether they knew it or not to convey messages of liberation, full-development, and unfettered happiness. Axiological Atheism answers or offers a different thinking to one of the most common criticisms of some forms of atheism, that they have no bases of or for morality and or value. Axiological atheism can be thought to believe in “good” utilizing the understanding of value theory and formal axiology holding that there can be truth in objective morality or universal ethics holding that life can be meaningful showing to that denying the existence of a god(s) does not have to lead to moral relativism, leave one with no moral or ethical foundation, or somehow must renders life meaningless and miserable. I thus as an axiological atheist believe good or basic morality seeing it as natural and evolutionary such as all mammals seem to express or display elements of morality such as compassion, empathy, altruism, group bonding, shame, etc. but we human higher reasoning animals are different or more advanced. We do have higher moral reasoning than animals and can affirm or have intentionality in ethical standards we also can grasp the systemic or big picture and future ramifications to actions animals are more commonly fixed in here and now thinking. Doing helpful supportive things creates more good in the world” is NOT a human-limited concept and does not require some kind of “magic book with super being derived morals it is already hard-wired in us as a survive and thrive nature for beneficial evolutionary adaptation success. The “good brings more good” concept is an inherent and fundamental aspect of reality. In a physics example: you create enough heat, eventually, things nearby start burning (making additional heat increases, even though it’s happening independently, or beyond, of your original input).
Axiological atheism: (Ethical/Value theory Reasoned and Moral Argument driven) Atheism, Anti-theism, Anti-religionism, and Secular Humanism. Roughly understood axiological atheism = Strong Disbelief as well as Strong Secularism and Humanism.
My *Axiological Dignity Being Theory*
An “Axiological assessment of human beings” shows with an axiological awareness a logic of values is clear which takes as its basic premise that “all persons always deserve positive regard.” – Progressive Logic by William J. Kelleher, Ph.D. And the reason why we should care is because we are Dignity Beings.
“Dignity is an internal state of peace that comes with the recognition and acceptance of the value and vulnerability of all living things.” – Donna Hicks (2011). Dignity: The Essential Role It Plays in Resolving Conflict
— Why care? Because we are Dignity Beings. —
We all are Just Another Fellow Being of Dignity…
I am inspired by philosophy, enlightened by archaeology and grounded by science that religious claims, on the whole, along with their magical gods, are but Dogmatic-Propaganda, myths and lies. Kindness beats prayers every time, even if you think prayer works, you know kindness works. Think otherwise, do both without telling people and see which one they notice. Aspire to master the heavens but don’t forget about the ones in need still here on earth. You can be kind and never love but you cannot love and never be kind. Therefore, it is this generosity of humanity, we need the most of. So, if you can be kind, as in the end some of the best we can be to others is to exchange kindness. For too long now we have allowed the dark shadow of hate to cloud our minds, while we wait in silence as if pondering if there is a need to commiserate. For too long little has been done and we too often have been part of this dark clouded shame of hate. Simply, so many humans now but sadly one is still left asking, where is the humanity?
I am an axiological atheist, are you?