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This was a question posed in my Atheists Against Trump group: I wonder, If there’s no creator, how do we logically find a way to justify the initial steps of the world?
 
An “Atheists Against Trump” Member responded then, I responded.
 
Atheists Against Trump” member, “What do you mean by justify? If you refer to knowing the first steps, the hows, and where — we don’t know everything yet. But inserting a creator doesn’t answer the question legitimately or honestly, it is just a placeholder. There’s no evidence there was a creator, so it is no better answer than “an apple did it.” How do you justify the steps of the world if there was no apple to start it?”
 
My response, “This sounds like a theist question so I will ask you what is a god? And if a something of nature then it doesn’t want to be known in reality, thus is as meaningless to reality as nothing first off. “Atheists Against Trump Member” I like your response “What do you mean by justify”, I know, as if such a presumption of a god something (whatever that is), as no god claim can justify its ontology in reality; it’s only empty posturing the faith addiction to emotional magical thinkers willing to not follow an ethics of belief. Moreover, even if a thing such as a god claim, the empty word salad g-o-d-nothingness of fantasy was somehow real, it doesn’t seem concerned with us as it has not proven itself, thus its existing or not existing would not change anything in life.”
 

Atheists Against Trump

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Group Requirements

The three main requirements for the group are:

*you are respectful to other members.

*you are atheist and not a theist.

*you are against Trump.

1. Do you agree to help ensure this group is a safe place and will you be respectful to other members? As this is a requirement for the group.

2. Are you an atheist and not a theist? As this is a requirement for the group.

3. Are you against Trump? As this is a requirement for the group.

If not you will be removed.

We welcome all non-believers (you don’t believe in any gods) who are against Trump and the ideas connected to non-believers or against Trump. But this is also a safe place to express feelings and emotional responses to life but especially about this Trumpism travesty, as well as deep thinking and as always also deep caring and equality (humanism & secularism).

When talking to other group members please try to attack thinking and not people. Note, this is not extended to bad behaviors they demand the person to be addressed (I block people not being safe).

Everyone Please Familiarize yourself with David Chalmers’ guidelines for respectful, constructive, and inclusive philosophical discussion, and apply them where applicable: http://consc.net/norms.html

* Read up on and *always* apply the principle of charity. You can find the Wiki link here: http://bit.ly/1r4m2le
* This group is strictly English-language only, so if you post always add English if you want to add another language.
*The Ethics of Philosophical Debates and Debating Philosophically:

In this group, You have the freedom to:
1. Air a wide range of views.
2. Intensely and rigorously analyze claims.

You have the freedom from:
1. Suffering ad hominem attacks.
2. Receiving angry rhetoric.

Be Intellectual and thoughtful.
Strive to Engage Claims and Not Other Posters.
Spread Light of knowledge and Not the Heat of personal attacks.

I would like to clarify the main two goals of this group: solidarity between nonbelievers in gods and to offer nonbelievers in gods a form for shared ideas, feelings, and new learning.

This group is not a “debate group” for theists, religionists or faithists. If you’re a theists, religionists or faithists and want to know our opinions, read our posts. If you don’t like that set of rules, then go to another group; as this is not a group catering in any way to theists, religionists or faithists.

In advance, I wish to thank you for your understanding and following the group’s rules.

This is also a rationalist atheist group so we do not accept ANY positive posts on religion/mysticism or things like it that are not in reality or the offering of pseudo-ideas, wrongly/unjustifiably offered as truth. This is a group with naturalistic goals thus are only open to real-world posts which are realistic. No pseudoscience, no pseudohistory, and no pseudo-morality aloud as well as no positive or supporting or posting of this or religion/mysticism/supernatural. I don’t think we should add people who are not interested as this is an education and community group for nonreligious friends.


We are Trumpatized (at a point of Traumatized Safety)


“All Art is my Art”


Trump ain’t Nothing but a Chump

So, where are you, that you cannot see the truth, that Trump lies.

Trump, he ain’t nothing but a chump, like a blathering fool who is drunk.

Where are you, that you cannot see the truth, that Trump lies.

He ain’t nothing but a fool and the world latest vile, childish, tool.

Where are you, that you cannot see the truth, that Trump lies.

Trump, every time I hear that name it puts me in a slump, it is if some people are in a slumber.

Where are you, that you cannot see the truth, that Trump lies.

Every time I hear that vile name Trump you would think I was a grump for I understand the sickness that he is.

Where are you, that you cannot see the truth, of Trump’s lies.

Everything he does is fake and only meant to get a rise, this mountain of ego seems to touch the sky.

Where are you, that you cannot see the truth, of Trump’s lies.

Everything he touches dies and everything he lives for it to glorify his childlike internal self.

Where are you, that you cannot see the truth, of Trump’s lies.

Trump ain’t Nothing but a Chump, he ant nothing but a fool and just the latest vile tool, so why do so many blindly think he is cool.

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While hallucinogens are associated with shamanism, it is alcohol that is associated with paganism.

The Atheist-Humanist-Leftist Revolutionaries Shows in the prehistory series:

Show one: Prehistory: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” the division of labor, power, rights, and recourses.

Show two: Pre-animism 300,000 years old and animism 100,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”

Show tree: Totemism 50,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”

Show four: Shamanism 30,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”

Show five: Paganism 12,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”

Show six: Emergence of hierarchy, sexism, slavery, and the new male god dominance: Paganism 7,000-5,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Capitalism) (World War 0) Elite and their slaves!

Show seven: Paganism 5,000 years old: progressed organized religion and the state: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Kings and the Rise of the State)

Show eight: Paganism 4,000 years old: Moralistic gods after the rise of Statism and often support Statism/Kings: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (First Moralistic gods, then the Origin time of Monotheism)

Prehistory: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” the division of labor, power, rights, and recourses: VIDEO

Pre-animism 300,000 years old and animism 100,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”: VIDEO

Totemism 50,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”: VIDEO

Shamanism 30,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”: VIDEO

Paganism 12,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Pre-Capitalism): VIDEO

Paganism 7,000-5,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Capitalism) (World War 0) Elite and their slaves: VIEDO

Paganism 5,000 years old: progressed organized religion and the state: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Kings and the Rise of the State): VIEDO

Paganism 4,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (First Moralistic gods, then the Origin time of Monotheism): VIEDO

I do not hate simply because I challenge and expose myths or lies any more than others being thought of as loving simply because of the protection and hiding from challenge their favored myths or lies.

The truth is best championed in the sunlight of challenge.

An archaeologist once said to me “Damien religion and culture are very different”

My response, So are you saying that was always that way, such as would you say Native Americans’ cultures are separate from their religions? And do you think it always was the way you believe?

I had said that religion was a cultural product. That is still how I see it and there are other archaeologists that think close to me as well. Gods too are the myths of cultures that did not understand science or the world around them, seeing magic/supernatural everywhere.

I personally think there is a goddess and not enough evidence to support a male god at Çatalhöyük but if there was both a male and female god and goddess then I know the kind of gods they were like Proto-Indo-European mythology.

This series idea was addressed in, Anarchist Teaching as Free Public Education or Free Education in the Public: VIDEO

Our 12 video series: Organized Oppression: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of power (9,000-4,000 years ago), is adapted from: The Complete and Concise History of the Sumerians and Early Bronze Age Mesopotamia (7000-2000 BC): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szFjxmY7jQA by “History with Cy

Show #1: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Samarra, Halaf, Ubaid)

Show #2: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Eridu: First City of Power)

Show #3: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Uruk and the First Cities)

Show #4: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (First Kings)

Show #5: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Early Dynastic Period)

Show #6: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (King Lugalzagesi and the First Empire)

Show #7: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Sargon and Akkadian Rule)

Show #8: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Naram-Sin, Post-Akkadian Rule, and the Gutians)

Show #9: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Gudea of Lagash and Utu-hegal)

Show #10: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Third Dynasty of Ur / Neo-Sumerian Empire)

Show #11: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Amorites, Elamites, and the End of an Era)

Show #12: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Aftermath and Legacy of Sumer)

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The “Atheist-Humanist-Leftist Revolutionaries”

Cory Johnston ☭ Ⓐ Atheist Leftist @Skepticallefty & I (Damien Marie AtHope) @AthopeMarie (my YouTube & related blog) are working jointly in atheist, antitheist, antireligionist, antifascist, anarchist, socialist, and humanist endeavors in our videos together, generally, every other Saturday.

Why Does Power Bring Responsibility?

Think, how often is it the powerless that start wars, oppress others, or commit genocide? So, I guess the question is to us all, to ask, how can power not carry responsibility in a humanity concept? I know I see the deep ethical responsibility that if there is power their must be a humanistic responsibility of ethical and empathic stewardship of that power. Will I be brave enough to be kind? Will I possess enough courage to be compassionate? Will my valor reach its height of empathy? I as everyone, earns our justified respect by our actions, that are good, ethical, just, protecting, and kind. Do I have enough self-respect to put my love for humanity’s flushing, over being brought down by some of its bad actors? May we all be the ones doing good actions in the world, to help human flourishing.

I create the world I want to live in, striving for flourishing. Which is not a place but a positive potential involvement and promotion; a life of humanist goal precision. To master oneself, also means mastering positive prosocial behaviors needed for human flourishing. I may have lost a god myth as an atheist, but I am happy to tell you, my friend, it is exactly because of that, leaving the mental terrorizer, god belief, that I truly regained my connected ethical as well as kind humanity.

Cory and I will talk about prehistory and theism, addressing the relevance to atheism, anarchism, and socialism.

At the same time as the rise of the male god, 7,000 years ago, there was also the very time there was the rise of violence, war, and clans to kingdoms, then empires, then states. It is all connected back to 7,000 years ago, and it moved across the world.

Cory Johnston: https://damienmarieathope.com/2021/04/cory-johnston-mind-of-a-skeptical-leftist/?v=32aec8db952d  

The Mind of a Skeptical Leftist (YouTube)

Cory Johnston: Mind of a Skeptical Leftist @Skepticallefty

The Mind of a Skeptical Leftist By Cory Johnston: “Promoting critical thinking, social justice, and left-wing politics by covering current events and talking to a variety of people. Cory Johnston has been thoughtfully talking to people and attempting to promote critical thinking, social justice, and left-wing politics.” http://anchor.fm/skepticalleft

Cory needs our support. We rise by helping each other.

Cory Johnston ☭ Ⓐ @Skepticallefty Evidence-based atheist leftist (he/him) Producer, host, and co-host of 4 podcasts @skeptarchy @skpoliticspod and @AthopeMarie

Damien Marie AtHope (“At Hope”) Axiological Atheist, Anti-theist, Anti-religionist, Secular Humanist. Rationalist, Writer, Artist, Poet, Philosopher, Advocate, Activist, Psychology, and Armchair Archaeology/Anthropology/Historian.

Damien is interested in: Freedom, Liberty, Justice, Equality, Ethics, Humanism, Science, Atheism, Antiteism, Antireligionism, Ignosticism, Left-Libertarianism, Anarchism, Socialism, Mutualism, Axiology, Metaphysics, LGBTQI, Philosophy, Advocacy, Activism, Mental Health, Psychology, Archaeology, Social Work, Sexual Rights, Marriage Rights, Woman’s Rights, Gender Rights, Child Rights, Secular Rights, Race Equality, Ageism/Disability Equality, Etc. And a far-leftist, “Anarcho-Humanist.”

I am not a good fit in the atheist movement that is mostly pro-capitalist, I am anti-capitalist. Mostly pro-skeptic, I am a rationalist not valuing skepticism. Mostly pro-agnostic, I am anti-agnostic. Mostly limited to anti-Abrahamic religions, I am an anti-religionist.

To me, the “male god” seems to have either emerged or become prominent around 7,000 years ago, whereas the now favored monotheism “male god” is more like 4,000 years ago or so. To me, the “female goddess” seems to have either emerged or become prominent around 11,000-10,000 years ago or so, losing the majority of its once prominence around 2,000 years ago due largely to the now favored monotheism “male god” that grow in prominence after 4,000 years ago or so.

My Thought on the Evolution of Gods?

Animal protector deities from old totems/spirit animal beliefs come first to me, 13,000/12,000 years ago, then women as deities 11,000/10,000 years ago, then male gods around 7,000/8,000 years ago. Moralistic gods around 5,000/4,000 years ago, and monotheistic gods around 4,000/3,000 years ago. 

To me, animal gods were likely first related to totemism animals around 13,000 to 12,000 years ago or older. Female as goddesses was next to me, 11,000 to 10,000 years ago or so with the emergence of agriculture. Then male gods come about 8,000 to 7,000 years ago with clan wars. Many monotheism-themed religions started in henotheism, emerging out of polytheism/paganism.

Gods?
 
“Animism” is needed to begin supernatural thinking.
“Totemism” is needed for supernatural thinking connecting human actions & related to clan/tribe.
“Shamanism” is needed for supernatural thinking to be controllable/changeable by special persons.
 
Together = Gods/paganism

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Damien Marie AtHope (Said as “At” “Hope”)/(Autodidact Polymath but not good at math):

Axiological Atheist, Anti-theist, Anti-religionist, Secular Humanist, Rationalist, Writer, Artist, Jeweler, Poet, “autodidact” Philosopher, schooled in Psychology, and “autodidact” Armchair Archaeology/Anthropology/Pre-Historian (Knowledgeable in the range of: 1 million to 5,000/4,000 years ago). I am an anarchist socialist politically. Reasons for or Types of Atheism

My Website, My Blog, & Short-writing or QuotesMy YouTube, Twitter: @AthopeMarie, and My Email: damien.marie.athope@gmail.com

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