Secular Sunday School Atheist (Accommodationist Atheist): “Good to see you Saturday. Glad you got out to an event. Thought you’d be around to talk, but you left early. We’ll get our chance to talk soon enough.”
Damien Marie AtHope:
I realize I don’t fit there and so I left and also left the group. Others have the right to do atheism their way. I am just not into that style I feel out of place an so I need to do my own thing not disrupt the rights of others. I am just to firebrand atheist and that is not against others just my style. I see I will not fit in here and do not feel here needs to change for me nor am I going to change for here. I have tried to make it work and still wish others well but I felt out of place. I don’t want to argue or feel I don’t fit and I see others do and that’s good but I felt I needed to go.
Accommodationist Atheist: “I wouldn’t have guessed, but I understand, and I’m sorry to hear it. I thought I was the one that didn’t fit in there. I think atheists sometimes put too much emphasis on being individualistic and independent and not enough on being connected personally to a group. Of course you need to do what’s right for you. Good luck with your book.”
Damien Marie AtHope:
Thanks most of the people I talked to are accomodationism atheists so many are more like you then me. And I appreciate your thoughtful words and wish you well also.
Accommodationist Atheist: “It’s funny how we see the same group in two different ways. And I prefer the term “semi-accommodationist” because I want to oppose the bad stuff religion does. I’m not an absolutist about how much to accommodate religion.”
Damien Marie AtHope:
Yes that is funny, I oppose anything even like religion including atheist church but that’s just me. I hated the singing at the Darwin day shortly after that and having almost everyone telling me they are accommodationist I realized good for them this is not for me. I know others like it so I am happy for them everyone should do what is right for them I never say there is only one right way for atheism only one right way for me.
Accommodationist Atheist: “You seem like the sort of guy who has no interest in moderating his own behavior in order to be more likable. If I’m wrong about that, and underneath your gruff exterior is someone who would like people to respond more positively to him, then I have some parting advice for you.”
Damien Marie AtHope:
I am always open to here ideas and I am also who I am as well. feel free to say what you think I have never stopped anyone from doing that. I am me and do care about others but care about me as well.
Accommodationist Atheist: “You come across so strongly with your ideas that it feels like you don’t care about anyone else in the room. And if you ask about others’ ideas, it is to compare them to your own. You don’t seem genuinely curious about other people, just focused on axiology, your book, etc. Like when we were at Therese McBain’s talk, you told her how you disagreed with her but didn’t ask her a question. If you are interested in other people for their own sakes, they respond better. If people get the idea that you’re just in the room to tell people about yourself, that’s a turn-off. You might see it differently, but that’s how it looks to others.”
Damien Marie AtHope:
I appreciate your thoughts Jonathan. I do like hearing ideas other than my own but also like telling what I think. I said I left the event as I wanted to respect that others have the right to be different than me. I do have strong opions and a strong personality but do strive to respect the self rights of others. this means I realize I am not a good fit for every type of group or type of people. I do say even if I do not agree with others style of atheism I do not think there is a right style of atheism neither others or mine the type that works for others is good for them. I believe people own themselves and thus there right to self define as they wish. I self define as a strong firebrand axiological atheist but do not expect anyone to feel the same. I do wish to be one who can respect people without respecting any religion and believe in people with out believing in any god or religion. I wish you well and think your a cool person even if on lots of things about belief we differ. take care.
Accommodationist Atheist: “Thanks. Take care.”
Damien Marie AtHope:
We are on a somewhat similar mission but maybe different paths. I thought of creating this folder of all I have done in activism and outreach as you inspired me to remind people what a strong personality like mine bent on good does. I have actively made a difference.
Accommodationist Atheist: “You seem really interested in yourself and your own accomplishments.”
Damien Marie AtHope:
You want to see me in the light that you do, I get that.
Accommodationist Atheist: “You said you were open to feedback. Are you? I’m telling you how you come across to other people, and not just to me. You can be defensive about it, or you can take it to heart, your choice. Maybe you’re not really interested in yourself and your own accomplishments, but you sure seem that way, and so that’s how people will react to you.”
Damien Marie AtHope:
You know I was thinking in a way we are both maybe doing the same thing or have a similar type goals, as you want to work at one end and I at the other. You it seems want religion to be more humanistic and I want antitheists and antireligionists to be more humanistic so maybe we are both fighting for humanism at the unique place we both fit. Just a though.
Accommodationist Atheist: “I see myself as trying to improve the secular community. That lines up nicely with your goals.”
Secular Sunday School Atheist (“Accommodationist” atheist)
Here’s the vision of atheism that Secular Sunday School Atheist (Accommodationist Atheist) holds:
No, I Do Not Value Accommodationism, yes I am cool being seen as an Anti-Accommodationist Atheist
Believers and even some atheist or other nonbelievers who are accommodationists feel nonaccommodationists firebrand atheists, antitheists, antireligionists, skeptics or rationalists like me should not attack the thinking of believers as they see this as disrespecting or attacking the one holding the belief thus the believer themselves.
I regard this as ridiculous, do they hold this as a universal belief or just a special belief towards religion believers. Such as I guess if universal I will never have to worry about you attacking my firebrand atheist beliefs either right or are you bigoted in how you apply your thinking about attacking thinking is attacking the person.
Attacking the thinking is not attacking the person and guess what this includes religion and god or any beliefs.
In case you are unfamiliar with the term accommodationism it is a term of modern rationalism or atheism refers to the belief that some sort of “common ground” can be found between believers in magical and supernatural things and those who hold the scientific method and methodological naturalism as humanity’s best tools to describe the universe.
Some simply call it soft or friendly atheism. I say do what you feel is right I see no rightness in this style.
It’s not the belief the believer holds to themselves, that in itself would not bother me if it somehow stayed encapsulation as a self-chosen preference they did not try to force on the larger world.
But of course they not only express their myths, lies, pseudo history, pseudo-science, conspiracy theories of reality and often bigotry as well as a desire to oppress all who do not believe like them.
Let me provide a fake but similar example.
Such as, if they only like cheese only pizza I would say whatever but when you force your kids to eat cheese only pizza and say they are sinful and committing evil if they ever even desire toppings and punish and shame them for eating pizza with toppings.
Who would not see a need to speak out against this? Well I do even if many do not.
Furthermore using the same analogy this same non topping pizza true believer tried to have laws changed to limit topping choices or remove toppings all together and stated it was a fact that there was only cheese pizza 6,000 years ago and that is how it should always be even showing you the sacred non topping pizza cookbook of their people.
The problem is first they have no right to oppress others rights, second is what the anti-topping pizza believers are saying is lies. The history of pizza does not match their claims.
The word “pizza” was first documented in 997 AD in Gaeta, Italy, and successively in different parts of Central and South Italy. The precursor of pizza was probably the focaccia, a flatbread known to the Romans as “panis focacius”, to which toppings were then added. Imagine people believing lies against their interest, it is almost as if they have been raised to believe things that are irrational should not be challenged.
Who would not see a need to speak out against this? Well I do even if many do not.
In the same way religion believers and how they push their belief not only makes it reasonable to actively oppose but my duty to do so for all this and more I am not an Atheist accommodationist.
And never will be…..
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Accommodationism
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_pizza
Anti-Accommodationism: “Pro-Outspoken Atheism”
Good is not simply the absence of bad but involves the active furthering of what is right, just, worthy, true, or beneficial, etc.
While hallucinogens are associated with shamanism, it is alcohol that is associated with paganism.
The Atheist-Humanist-Leftist Revolutionaries Shows in the prehistory series:
Show two: Pre-animism 300,000 years old and animism 100,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”
Show tree: Totemism 50,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”
Show four: Shamanism 30,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”
Show five: Paganism 12,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”
Show six: Emergence of hierarchy, sexism, slavery, and the new male god dominance: Paganism 7,000-5,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Capitalism) (World War 0) Elite and their slaves!
Prehistory: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” the division of labor, power, rights, and recourses: VIDEO
Pre-animism 300,000 years old and animism 100,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”: VIDEO
Totemism 50,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”: VIDEO
Shamanism 30,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”: VIDEO
Paganism 12,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Pre-Capitalism): VIDEO
Paganism 7,000-5,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Capitalism) (World War 0) Elite and their slaves: VIEDO
Paganism 5,000 years old: progressed organized religion and the state: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Kings and the Rise of the State): VIEDO
Paganism 4,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (First Moralistic gods, then the Origin time of Monotheism): VIEDO
I do not hate simply because I challenge and expose myths or lies any more than others being thought of as loving simply because of the protection and hiding from challenge their favored myths or lies.
The truth is best championed in the sunlight of challenge.
An archaeologist once said to me “Damien religion and culture are very different”
My response, So are you saying that was always that way, such as would you say Native Americans’ cultures are separate from their religions? And do you think it always was the way you believe?
I had said that religion was a cultural product. That is still how I see it and there are other archaeologists that think close to me as well. Gods too are the myths of cultures that did not understand science or the world around them, seeing magic/supernatural everywhere.
I personally think there is a goddess and not enough evidence to support a male god at Çatalhöyük but if there was both a male and female god and goddess then I know the kind of gods they were like Proto-Indo-European mythology.
The “Atheist-Humanist-Leftist Revolutionaries”
Cory Johnston ☭ Ⓐ Atheist Leftist @Skepticallefty & I (Damien Marie AtHope) @AthopeMarie (my YouTube & related blog) are working jointly in atheist, antitheist, antireligionist, antifascist, anarchist, socialist, and humanist endeavors in our videos together, generally, every other Saturday.
Why Does Power Bring Responsibility?
Think, how often is it the powerless that start wars, oppress others, or commit genocide? So, I guess the question is to us all, to ask, how can power not carry responsibility in a humanity concept? I know I see the deep ethical responsibility that if there is power their must be a humanistic responsibility of ethical and empathic stewardship of that power. Will I be brave enough to be kind? Will I possess enough courage to be compassionate? Will my valor reached its height of empathy? I as everyone earns our justified respect by our actions, that are good, ethical, just, protecting, and kind. Do I have enough self-respect to put my love for humanity’s flushing, over being brought down by some of its bad actors? May we all be the ones doing good actions in the world, to help human flourishing.
I create the world I want to live in, striving for flourishing. Which is not a place but a positive potential involvement and promotion; a life of humanist goal precision. To master oneself, also means mastering positive prosocial behaviors needed for human flourishing. I may have lost a god myth as an atheist but I am happy to tell you my friend, it is exactly because of that, leaving the mental terrorizer, god belief that I truly regained my connected ethical as well as kind humanity.
Cory and I will talk about prehistory and theism, addressing the relevance to atheism, anarchism, and socialism.
At the same time of the rise of the male god 7,000 years ago was also the very time there was the rise of violence war, and clans to kingdoms, then empires, then states. It is all connected back to 7,000 years ago and it mover across the world.
Cory Johnston: https://damienmarieathope.com/2021/04/cory-johnston-mind-of-a-skeptical-leftist/?v=32aec8db952d
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Damien Marie AtHope (Said as “At” “Hope”)/(Autodidact Polymath but not good at math):
Axiological Atheist, Anti-theist, Anti-religionist, Secular Humanist, Rationalist, Writer, Artist, Jeweler, Poet, “autodidact” Philosopher, schooled in Psychology, and “autodidact” Armchair Archaeology/Anthropology/Pre-Historian (Knowledgeable in the range of: 1 million to 5,000/4,000 years ago). I am an anarchist socialist politically. Reasons for or Types of Atheism
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