Prayer: a Useless Action Some Wrongly Think is Useful

Prayer: a Useless Action, Some, Wrongly Think is Useful

Don’t look for imaginary help, embrace self-mastery. Nothing fails like prayers, I mean just look at all the prayer hospitals right? Well, what happens when you ask for help from an imaginary being? You get imaginary help. Lol

Hope is not the same as prayer.

“Hope is similar as Praying, and I think people here aren’t really believers in prayers, so it should be same when for Hope, I think….no? In other words, how would someone convey the same message without the use of such expressions in their sentences?” – Challenger

My response, Prayer is nothing like hope, as prayer is the Belief in magic and a thing one is believed they are praying to, thus a Belief in magical things or beings. Hope is a desire or aspiration, not a Belief in magical things or you have additional beliefs added in that hope but as an atheist, I have a non-magical hope of, for and about many things. To me, prayer often is used as a self-serving tool. In fact, many times, I have had prayer used against me as a threat and the ones who are threat or force praying against me believe by doing it supports their position in superiority and truth. Why would a religionist/fideist threat or force pray for as an atheist? Force pray or force prayer is telling someone you know who does not want you to pray for them or does not believe in prayer and you say, “I will pray for you” against their will and is a put-down or a threat to demonstrate their power over your will. This is something common that christians do to atheists when the christian thinks they have lost the argument. Usually, they will perform a force pray claim at the atheist, which is made as a means of getting in the last word or having the upper hand rather than any true form of care. Instead of the “Force Pray” for me as an atheist, why make this threat, if it is a believed good deed then make it mean something and why not instead pray for the innocent suffering children of the world? You know the ones, the loving god you believe in, will do nothing to save the children from rape, abuse, starvation, and death. I mean, if your imaginary god does not give a shit about innocent suffering children of the world, why would it matter, if you put in a good word on my behalf. What is it with your ridiculous faith in prayer? Even prayer on your behalf to your imaginary friend, only gets you imaginary help. If you must pray for me, please do whatever makes you feel better about yourself as it does nothing for me. Nevertheless, watch out atheists, for theists have a secret weapon better than our facts or reason, it is simply to tell us non-theists “I will pray for you.” I just have to laugh and think; really, the prayer myth is as equally ridiculous as the fairy dust myth. Prayer for others is like mental masturbation; sure, it makes you feel good as you are even doing something while doing absolutely nothing for the other person. Don’t think prayer is like masturbation well both please only the person doing it and does nothing for the person they’re thinking about. Well now that I think of it prayer is nothing and at least masturbation gets results. So stop wasting time in mental masturbation if you see someone in need actually help them don’t say “I will pray for you.” And please don’t throughout the dreaded “I will pray for you” when someone does not want your prayers or you are just using t like a threat thinking you have some upper hand over us nonbelievers. Oh no not that, “I will pray for you” proclamation to regain lost power in an argument with an atheist. When you threat pray at us, we cringe and cower at such a powerful dreaded comeback. Now we laugh at you or are sad at such willful delusion as “I will pray for you” and we usually thinking sarcastically, which out stand back the shit just got real now. I am in for it and they are invoking their imaginary friend to help them bully me. I interpret “I will pray for you”, as a way to state with a contempt that they as theists with the invoking of a threat prayer like magic makes them superior and us as non-theists completely inferior. The religionist/fideist invokes their incantation, “I will pray for you,” in other words, “I know I cannot do anything about this argument or reasoning, and I will summon my ‘imaginary delusion’” and as if that is going to do something. Oh, it will do something all right; it will give them the same delusion of helping as it always does. The “I will pray for you” statement for religionists/fideists is as if a trump card that once stated counteracts all facts or reason offered then allows them to win no matter what. I do not like the “I will pray for you” statement at all because the thought of someone thinking of me on their knees and mumbling to themselves is just creepy. I hate when people say that to me especially and repeatedly in the same discussion as like a threat. It just hits a nerve and it is a very annoying statement and not one of care or their claimed love. We must wonder why they even say the “I will pray for you” statement, when ‘god’ is already doing what he feels is right or do they claim to know what is better than god does. Moreover, it is actually in a way against the bible anyway to proclaim prayer at people in public. Matthew 6:5-6 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly, I tell you, they have received their reward in full. However, when you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.” Non-religionists and ones who do not value fideism or reality do not just pray to some fantasy other world and instead, actually help others who are hurting in this real world. One pair of open hands assisting another in a positive action does more than a thousand hands closed in the futile inaction of prayers that it does not even help the ones praying let along anyone else. Prayer is working hard at accomplishing nothing!

Nothing fails like prayer: The three-year Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer (STEP), published in the April 4 American Heart Journal, was the largest-ever attempt to apply scientific methods to measure the influence of prayer on the well-being of another. It examined 1,800 patients undergoing heart-bypass surgery. On the eve of the operations, church groups began two weeks of praying for one set of patients. Each recipient had a praying contingent of about 70, none of whom knew the patient personally. The study found no differences in survival or complication rates compared with those who did not receive prayers. The only statistically significant blip appeared in a subgroup of patients who were prayed for and knew it. They experienced a higher rate of postsurgical heart arrhythmias (59 versus 52 percent of unaware subjects). As the debunking of prayer was so thorough they have no plans for a follow-up study. This one, sponsored largely by the John Templeton Foundation, cost $2.4 million. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-prayer-prescription/

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