*“Damien, shut the fuck up…. Just cause your atheist doesn’t mean you need to advertise it! Have fun condemned after death. I must admit I don’t know how to explain god , but I also don’t know how to explain , gravity, dark matter, the universe, where it came from ? Closed minded piece of shit.” – Attacker
My response: If I or science, do not know something, what ever makes “magic” (supernatural), the justified answer, is my question to god-beliers saying this. You are a victim of arcane fear and the control dynamic that emerged from it called the belief in gods and I am both sorry for you as well as glad you reached out as you then have an opportunity to learn some real truth. I am not your enemy, in fact I am your champion willing to fight the odds and believe in your power of self mastery to see beyond the prison of lies that keep you bound. Are you willing to see the truth I lay at your feet, the open doorway to a life in the beauty of the godless natural reality, to often tarnished by the conspiracies of reality that are so prominent in religions and god beliefs. A closed mind is one talking about made up fairy tales that they were indoctrinated in as a child and not learning real facts about the world. Are you as open-minded as you think? Or are you already to see what is actually true? The question is how open are you really. I will guess you are some version of christain likely believing in jesus. So I will give you this blog post I made that could change your life if you read it with an open mind.
Debunking Jesus? https://damienmarieathope.com/2016/01/09/debunking-jesus/
*“Damien, wow … I’m sorry but just no … Your trying to turn atheism into a religion itself , please stop. You can believe what you do , sure .. But why advertise it ? You don’t see the rest of the world doing so (besides extremists).” – Attacker
My response: I have every right to express atheism on my page it’s you that is acting religious and close-minded coming on my page and spewing your discrimination. All the world doing what expressing how they think is what all humans do and have always done.
*“Damien, there’s also no good reason they wouldn’t exsist.” – Attacker
*“Damien, both of our judgment is sheer guessing, Both” – Attacker
*“Damien, wow . Your smart , too bad your the one caught in a lie. I’m sorry I can’t continue this convo :0 your not even open to the slight possibilities.” – Attacker
My response, it is you who has been closed minded from the beginning, in fact you never meant to have a conversation but you meant an attack and it was my openness, “that you never offered” that sidestepped your beginning valueless attack. You must at least now be open-minded enough to realize the attack you made was turned around and then reformed into something new, becoming a chance for you to learn. Which you have and thus again it is my openness that has won the day, even over your closed minded beginning responses such as: “shut the fuck up” and calling me “a piece of shit.” Can you now see it is me and my open-minded thinking not you that was open to real conversation, as I rose above your thinking only offered as a close-minded attack.
*“Damien, at first I was close minded , agreed. You opened my mind to certain things. But whenever I share my side of the story you don’t even acknowledge it you just throw more anti religious shit at me. That is why I’m calling you close minded. Too be honest , at first the reason I called you a piece of shit etc is cause I thought you were a satanist. lol Atheists I don’t mind, satanists / terrorist Muslims I can’t stand.” – Attacker
My response, Cool, I am just an atheist, not a Satanist, nor terrorist Muslim.
*“Damien, ya , apologies for that , I do disagree with certain things you believe , but that doesn’t make you a piece of shit.” – Attacker
My response, here is my video on the religion’s evolution, “The Tree of Lies and its Hidden Roots” Discussing the Evolution of Religion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C65fVZcdVAM
*“Damien, ok for me it’s not religion I care about so much. It’s the aliens. I agree highly unlikely one powerful figure from heaven was sent to us. But it is not hard at all to believe these powerful beings were advanced species visiting.” – Attacker
My response, cool I hope you keep searching for truth, I truly wish the best for you as people have value. Don’t forget, “People Have Rights, Ideas Don’t Have Rights” here is my video on that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxXIVuvLCU
*“Damien, as do I wish you the same. I do respect your views , and even agree with some things.” – Attacker
My response, yes, we must analyze how is anger is the temporary emotion and response that triggers hate lasts longer and may start as an emotion but can and is usually sustained by becoming a kind of ideology that is not directly angry but can motivate anger and the risk of anger motivated behaviors. Anger is unavoidable in life whereas hate is more of a chosen response to things in life often an outgrowth of or connected to anger. Anger in life, thus, is what matters and how we navigate it effectively. Therefore, we should be concerned with the proper use of anger it’s ethical management and positive use.
*“Damien, but no aliens / higher beings ? No man … We’re not creative enough to make such a fictional book known as the bible. That’s why it’sy belief that it is a true story , but a “God” no … They were simply aliens.” – Attacker
My response, to me we need to learn to use anger as a way to know things are likely not right then use it to add contemplation about needed behavior or new thinking instead of unthinking behavior based more on or motivated by the emotion of anger. I am my best when I value myself and others. I am my worst when I forget to see the value in myself and others. Here is my blog on the religion’s evolution, “Did Neanderthals Teach Humans Religion Around 100,000 Years Ago?” https://damienmarieathope.com/2016/02/17/did-neanderthals-teach-humans-religion-around-100000-years-ago/
*“Damien, my theory is that we are basically a experiment — 10 aliens came and did the same types of miricales / and good deeds etc , so that they could research how each culture would interpret “God and religion@ Please read that, you don’t think that’s possible ??? This is true friend , and maybe “God” does take away from that … But at the same time (most religions anyway) teach good values so ehh. And what an experiment it was !!!!!! They are still to this day getting results from their experiment. It’s the only explanation that debunks the whole bible / is scientifically possible. And in Greece , with all mythological gods, I don’t even know what to think about them. Maybe aliens put on a play :,)” – Attacker
My response, what evidence do you have to support and validate the thinking that basically an experiment, furthermore, how can you even validate the thinking you offered that it is 10 aliens, not none or one or a thousand? What evidence do you have that anyone ever did any types of miracles? you need to first look at the facts to legitimately assess or propose a theory as to how culture would interpret “God and religion” do you know the first worship in the world was 70,000 years ago of a stone snake? Here is the link on that: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/offerings-to-a-stone-snak/
*“Damien, true , it is just a theory. Because there’s no proof possible to obtain. But I’m afraid so is your thinking , just theory because again there’s no actual hard evidence proving anything. Just theories worked out really well .. No actual proof.” – Attacker
My response, are you not reading, I provided you with actual hard evidence. Such as, how 350,000 Years Ago – Atapuerca (Spain), found evidence of a possible funeral rite in the form of a red quartzite handaxe among bones from 28 individuals classified as Homo heidelbergensis found at the bottom of a deep pit inside a network of caves. The stone choice seems to add to its believed possible funeral rite significance as color red is not a standard and was likely chosen because its color which we can theorize had some significance like that of red ochre later used in barrels. This pit of bones may represent some practice of burial as well as early evidence of the emergence of ritual and sacred symbolism responding to death beyond simple practicality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atapuerca_Mountains
My response, or check out my blog on the “Technological Advances in Evolution” and say we don’t have evidence: https://damienmarieathope.com/2015/12/05/technological-advances-in-evolution/
*”Damien, the last link shows humans evolving as they should. But is it possible they visited 70k years ago this starting religion? Idk it’s a headache to explain , but I truly believe we have either alien ties/ genes , or we are an experiment. Also , why is it that the humini(apes) still exsist ??? To this day? Sorry, pre humini our technological advances were BLOWN OUTTA THE WATER with the humini so is it too hard to believe that the humini were created by a alien species? And those left behind in the process are simply today’s apes. That’s not my favourite theory though, my fav theory is we are experiment with no alien genes.” – Attacker
My response, You are adding think not found or demonstrated whereas I stick to the facts as they present themselves and form my thinking from there. It’s an amazing world and wonderful facts so amazing just as they are no mythologizing is warranted.
*”Damien, your facts are not hard proof though , as much as a artifact from 100k years ago is cool , it’s not proof.” – Attacker
My response, asking why (apes) still exist if we come from apes natural selection, is demonstrating a lack of understanding science. All dogs come from wolves so you could also ask why is there still wolves? Simple they branch off to make something new just like how humans through artificial not natural selection created all the many dog breads we have. DNA findings say differently. All modern dogs are descendants of wolves, though this domestication may have happened twice, producing groups of dogs descended from two unique common ancestors. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/5/l_015_02.html
*”Damien, sigh , I really hope we get visited in our life time , your in for the biggest surprise of your life.” – Attacker
My response, I am open to truth I do fear it I welcome it as all true thinkers should be. If we get visited in our lifetime then and only then will I have reason to believe in them as there is 0 evidence up till now. We all have beliefs it’s unavoidable. The issue is having justified true beliefs that hold warrant or are valid and reliable because of reason and evidence. I follow the standard in philosophy JTB Justified True Beliefs. Justified / True / Beliefs? *To established justification I use the philosophy called Reliabilism. Reliabilism is a general approach to epistemology that emphasizes the truth-conduciveness of a belief-forming process, method, or other epistemologically relevant factors. The reliability theme appears both in theories of knowledge and theories of justification. *For the true part I use the philosophy called The Correspondence Theory of Truth. The correspondence theory of truth states that the truth or falsity of a statement is determined only by how it relates to the world and whether it accurately describes (i.e., corresponds with) that world. *For the beliefs part I use what philosophy calls The Ethics of Belief. The “ethics of belief” refers to the intersection of epistemology, philosophy of mind, psychology, and ethics. The central is norms governing our habits of belief-formation, belief-maintenance, and belief-relinquishment. It morally wrong (or epistemically irrational, or imprudent) to hold a belief on insufficient evidence. It morally right (or epistemically rational, or prudent) to believe on the basis of sufficient evidence, or to withhold belief in the perceived absence of evidence. It always obligatory to seek out all available epistemic evidence for a belief.
*Damien, great response. Okay, I now agree and respect what you do. Your not a non believer …., you are just a realist, needing proof to back theory. And I respect that good debate.
Overall, my goal is to help change believers as I was once, in fact, I did not turn atheist until I was 36. I try to offer new reasoning when I can as I see fideists, theists, religionists as suffering a thinking disorder, I don’t all way have such patience sometimes I just block them.
*Ps. for any who want to understand my style better check out my blog, “Atheist Outreach Style” (REMS) Reason, Evidence & Methodological Skepticism: https://damienmarieathope.com/2015/11/05/atheist-outreach-style/
My Written Discussions, Responses and Debates
Truth Navigation: Techniques for Discussions or Debates
I do truth navigation, both inquiry questions as well as
strategic facts in a tag team of debate and motivational teaching.
My Hammer of Truth (i.e. ontology, epistemology, and axiology; three philosophies that I use methodologically) both builds and destroys: it aids in building accuracy towards truth and destroy bad claims that are untrue.
A General Thinking in all My Epistemology Theorizing is Justificationism
A general thinking in all “My Ontology, Epistemology, and Axiology theorizing” involves some expression of Justificationism. As in, I require a worthy argument, that is justified with a good warrant(s), quality rich with valid and reliable reason and evidence that is connected to the accuracy of the truth claimed.
Trying to Help Promote Knowledge: Philosophy and Science.
Dogmatic–Propaganda vs. Disciplined-Rationality
I value good Belief-Etiquette: reasoned belief-acquisitions, good belief-maintenance, and honest belief relinquishment. I am first always a rationalist, as reason is my only master. May I always be a truth seeker and not a blind faith believer. Thinking is good and one claiming otherwise is indeed a person erroring in reason. Which may I remind you is terrible since the most Base Presupposition in our understanding of everything begins in reason.
What we generally call “truth” is a “value judgment” of what we believe is the reality of the case. So, a claim of truth then like all claims needs some type supporting justification. The claim of truth’s integrity requires testing of what the theme of the offered truth involves if validly justified it should not be distrusted. However, if the claim of truth’s integrity is not justified then the term “Truth” has not been itself attacked rather it’s the using the word “Truth” that cannot substantiate the term that it should be distrusted because it is seemingly in error or a lie-pseudo truth. Therefore, the user/claimer of the improper use of the word “Truth” but believe in and promote pseudo-truth because it does not have a sound basis in logic or fact demonstrate the validity and reliability of their truth assertion. So, I love truth, its claims of the term “Truth” with no justification that I can’t stand because such claims are pseudo-truth. It’s like how science as a term is quite corrupted by pseudoscience right? Yes and No. Yes, because fake science is believed as real science where the user/claimer of the improper use of the word “Science” believe in and promote pseudo-science but because it does not have a sound basis in logic or fact demonstrate the validity and reliability of their truth assertion. However, we can know science from pseudoscience as the term is given other methodological structure to which to evaluate then prove true science or prove a claim as not science and in fact pseudoscience so to do we sadly have to a methodological structure to prove a claim as not truth and in fact pseudo-truth.
If you are a religious believer, may I remind you that faith in the acquisition of knowledge is not a valid method worth believing in. Because, what proof is “faith”, of anything religion claims by faith, as many people have different faith even in the same religion?
A Sound Thinker: uses disciplined rationality
A Shallow Thinker: undisciplined, situational, sporadic, or limited thinking.
I Don’t Have to Respect Ideas
People get confused ideas are not alive nor do they have beingness, Ideas don’t have rights nor the right to even exist only people have such a right. Ideas don’t have dignity nor can they feel violation only people if you attack them personally. Ideas don’t deserve any special anything they have no feelings and cannot be shamed they are open to the most brutal merciless attack and challenge without any protection and deserve none nor will I give them any if they are found wanting in evidence or reason. I will never respect Ideas if they are devoid of merit I only respect people.
Truth Navigation and the fallacy of Fideism “faith-ism”
Compare ideas not people, attack thinking and not people. In this way, we have a higher chance to promote change because it’s the thinking we can help change if we address the thinking and don’t attack them.
My eclectic set of tools for my style I call “Truth Navigation” (Techniques for Discussions or Debates) which involves:
*REMS: reason (rationalism), evidence (empiricism), and methodological “truth-seeking” skepticism (Methodic doubt) (the basic or general approach)
*The Hammer of Truth: ontology, epistemology, and axiology (methodological use of philosophy)
*Dialectical Rhetoric = truth persuasion: use of facts and reasoning (motivational teaching)
*Utilizing Dignity: strategic dignity attacks or dignity enrichments (only used if confusion happens or resistance is present)
Asking the right questions at the right time with the right info can also change minds, you can’t just use facts all on their own. Denial likes consistency, the pattern of thinking cannot vary from a fixed standard of thinking, or the risk of truth could slip in. Helping people alter skewed thinking is indeed a large task but most definitely a worthy endeavor.
A General Thinking in all My Epistemology Theorizing is Justificationism
I don’t believe in religion, I believe in people. I don’t respect religion, I respect people. I attack bad thinking and bad behaviors, not people. I do not hate religious people, I hate the religion they are indoctrinated in and I speak out to stop the indifference to the harm religions can cause as well as the ignorance they support. Hell yes, I am against the fraud that is the world religions.
Why not be against the promotion of woo-woo pseudo-truth, when I am very against all pseudo-science, pseudo-history, and pseudo-morality and the harm they can produce. Along with the hate, such as sexism and homophobia are too often seen or the forced indoctrination of children. And this coercive indoctrination of the world religions, with their pseudo-science, pseudo-history, and pseudo-morality mainly furthered by forced Hereditary Religion (family or cultural, religious beliefs forced on children because the parent or caregiver believes that way). This is sadly done, even before a child can be expected to successfully navigate reason; it’s almost as if religious parents believe their “woo-woo pseudo-truth” lies will not be so easily accepted if they wait on a mind that can make its own choice. Because we do see how hard it is for the ones forced into Hereditary Religion.
It seems difficult for them to successfully navigate reason in relation to their woo-woo pseudo-truth, found in a religion they were indoctrinationally taught to prefer, because after being instructed on how to discern pseudo-truth as truth than just wishing that their blind servitude belief in a brand of religious pseudo-truth devoid of justified, valid or reliable reason and evidence. I care because I am a rationalist, as well as an atheist. Thus, this religious set of “woo-woo pseudo-truth” pushed on the simple-minded as truth bothers me greatly. So, here it is as simple as I can make it you first need a good thinking standard to address beliefs one may approach as a possible belief warranted to be believed. I wish to smash that lying pig of religion with the Hammer of Truth: Ontology, Epistemology, and Axiology Questions (a methodological use of philosophy).
Overall, I wish to promote in my self and for others; to value a worthy belief etiquette, one that desires a sound accuracy and correspondence to the truth: Reasoned belief acquisitions, good belief maintenance, and honest belief relinquishment. May we all be authenticly truthful rationalists that put facts over faith. Calling out a liar is not the same as lying.
While hallucinogens are associated with shamanism, it is alcohol that is associated with paganism.
The Atheist-Humanist-Leftist Revolutionaries Shows in the prehistory series:
Show one: Prehistory: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” the division of labor, power, rights, and recourses.
Show two: Pre-animism 300,000 years old and animism 100,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”
Show tree: Totemism 50,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”
Show four: Shamanism 30,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”
Show five: Paganism 12,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”
Show six: Emergence of hierarchy, sexism, slavery, and the new male god dominance: Paganism 7,000-5,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Capitalism) (World War 0) Elite and their slaves!
Show seven: Paganism 5,000 years old: progressed organized religion and the state: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Kings and the Rise of the State)
Show eight: Paganism 4,000 years old: Moralistic gods after the rise of Statism and often support Statism/Kings: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (First Moralistic gods, then the Origin time of Monotheism)
Prehistory: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” the division of labor, power, rights, and recourses: VIDEO
Pre-animism 300,000 years old and animism 100,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”: VIDEO
Totemism 50,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”: VIDEO
Shamanism 30,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”: VIDEO
Paganism 12,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Pre-Capitalism): VIDEO
Paganism 7,000-5,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Capitalism) (World War 0) Elite and their slaves: VIEDO
Paganism 5,000 years old: progressed organized religion and the state: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Kings and the Rise of the State): VIEDO
Paganism 4,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (First Moralistic gods, then the Origin time of Monotheism): VIEDO
I do not hate simply because I challenge and expose myths or lies any more than others being thought of as loving simply because of the protection and hiding from challenge their favored myths or lies.
The truth is best championed in the sunlight of challenge.
An archaeologist once said to me “Damien religion and culture are very different”
My response, So are you saying that was always that way, such as would you say Native Americans’ cultures are separate from their religions? And do you think it always was the way you believe?
I had said that religion was a cultural product. That is still how I see it and there are other archaeologists that think close to me as well. Gods too are the myths of cultures that did not understand science or the world around them, seeing magic/supernatural everywhere.
I personally think there is a goddess and not enough evidence to support a male god at Çatalhöyük but if there was both a male and female god and goddess then I know the kind of gods they were like Proto-Indo-European mythology.
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Why Does Power Bring Responsibility?
Think, how often is it the powerless that start wars, oppress others, or commit genocide? So, I guess the question is to us all, to ask, how can power not carry responsibility in a humanity concept? I know I see the deep ethical responsibility that if there is power their must be a humanistic responsibility of ethical and empathic stewardship of that power. Will I be brave enough to be kind? Will I possess enough courage to be compassionate? Will my valor reached its height of empathy? I as everyone earns our justified respect by our actions, that are good, ethical, just, protecting, and kind. Do I have enough self-respect to put my love for humanity’s flushing, over being brought down by some of its bad actors? May we all be the ones doing good actions in the world, to help human flourishing.
I create the world I want to live in, striving for flourishing. Which is not a place but a positive potential involvement and promotion; a life of humanist goal precision. To master oneself, also means mastering positive prosocial behaviors needed for human flourishing. I may have lost a god myth as an atheist but I am happy to tell you my friend, it is exactly because of that, leaving the mental terrorizer, god belief that I truly regained my connected ethical as well as kind humanity.
Cory and I will talk about prehistory and theism, addressing the relevance to atheism, anarchism, and socialism.
At the same time of the rise of the male god 7,000 years ago was also the very time there was the rise of violence war, and clans to kingdoms, then empires, then states. It is all connected back to 7,000 years ago and it mover across the world.
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Damien Marie AtHope (Said as “At” “Hope”)/(Autodidact Polymath but not good at math):
Axiological Atheist, Anti-theist, Anti-religionist, Secular Humanist, Rationalist, Writer, Artist, Jeweler, Poet, “autodidact” Philosopher, schooled in Psychology, and “autodidact” Armchair Archaeology/Anthropology/Pre-Historian (Knowledgeable in the range of: 1 million to 5,000/4,000 years ago). I am an anarchist socialist politically. Reasons for or Types of Atheism
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