The ethics violations start before the eating of the so called tree of knowledge.
Remember before eating it they DID NOT understand good and evil thus they did not commit a crime anymore then a baby who lacks understanding.
But it’s worse god the father put this dangerous tree there to begin with not good parenting then allows a bad being influence them good parents don’t put defenseless children with harmful individuals and dangerous objects.
So truly its god who a court of law would find negligence not the children. But it is even worse for god set it up to fail.
Just think even if Adam and eve never ate nor did anyone for a thousand years it would only take one failure eating and all of humanity is doomed.
Thus, it’s god’s booby trap forcing sin not man’s fall. So if the story was true which it is not god would be the one lacking any ethics and be a terrible father.
It is easier to give without wanting to love then it is to love without wanting to give. To love moves us past self and enhances the desire to share and give both of things and of oneself. If one is without the desire to give likely they are not wanting to love.
Is god choiceless or standardless or removed from ethics?
Let’s say gods are real and if they could interact with us be thought to have a conciseness thus be held to an ethical slandered?
Is not a choice or thought not a rational requirement to have ethical understanding in the real world thus a rock cannot make an ethical choice nor can a baby but an adult or god could as well as purposed right?
If believed prayers of millions of abused children can’t get answered why not a hold them to an ethical slandered just as a person who could stop a child’s suffering?
Is it not the “body of matter” (human and not a god) but the ethical understanding, because of a rational conciseness that we hold responsible in the first place?
We need more then theories we must obtain freedom or ethics you can feel.
We must have a rational ethical understanding in the real world.
Can you hold a rock responsible for crushing pain than death?
Seemingly, the Ethics of religion found in books like the bible range from reasonable to psychotically barbaric and unethical. So they simply need to be rejected, due to their unethical support for harm, no it’s not even ok if its ones claimed to a god. No, such untrustable unethical sources just will not do, if a god is the creator of such unethical instructions in said holy books, then this god is clearly unethical and as it would be this same god that had decided to created the sensation of pain and pain is not ethical to inflict on others, right?
So, how can we not see the unethicalness of one who claims to have caused or invented pain, are they not more or at least as just as guilty as one who inflicts pain on others?
So, if torcher is unethical the god who is credited the sensation experienced in torcher for the falling rock that creates pain and death which is also a god claimed creation. A supposed god claimed creation that can remove the freedom to live of everyone in the world throughout time without a chance to consent or opt out, which is unethical or the god-given “flaw of fragile life or pain” guilt, so its inventor would be guilty right?
Do we hold the fragile life or a faulty invention that causes death responsible for what it does? If we do not “why” is it because it does not understand what harm it causes or cannot feel for those it hurts or kills? We hold the creator or inventor of such things as guilty of not testing or conserving a better product how is a god and less guilty?
Is god materialistic and not spiritual because he asks the flawed creations he is responsible for, to doing things to receive a reward or to avoid punished, is this allowing freedom or being ethical if it was humans who did such things?
Why not blame a god for this, pain, a fragile life or for it not caring enough to desire perfection but create imperfection?
How about a mountain lion do we hold it responsible for what it does?
If not why is it because it does not understand what harm it causes or cannot feel for those it hurts or kills? Why not blame a god for it needing to kill to eat because he understood what harm it causes and created it that way?
How about a person born with a debilitating mental impairment from retardation to psychological that hinders them from rational choice do we hold them responsible for they do?
If not is it because they do not understand what harm they are causing or do not feel for those they hurt or kill? Why not blame a god for them being born that way?
We need Self-transcend is seeing the other reality’s experienced by others, not a flawed god who only wants you to see things his way or receive a reward of punishment. Why not blame a god if it was such a real thing and is said even to care but how is any unethical harm a god could give or could have done differently?
Its almost as if not only that one’s favorite god doesn’t exist but no loving god could right? Why not blame a if the claimed creator of all reality for allowing freedom or being ethical?
If a god is supposed to have or can know everything, then this said god not only knew it would be a universe of harm and created it anyway, there is also the ethical challenge of understanding as well as knowing the human life this god is adding to this life, a human life which he believes needs to go to hell and thus, suffer unending harm that could have been stopped just by not letting them be born, to begin with?
Self-transcend of this type involves seeing the other’s reality experienced time after time like the preverbal ”walking in their shoes” or can be thought of being more like multiculturalism or multirealityism.
Even if some god could be real no god that is reported to have created this world of unethical harm could nor should be found to be worthy. So no such a god is not worthy of even being followed because the god myth in this clearly shows itself to be neither self-actualized nor self-transcend. To me, one can become self-transcend without being self-actualized but even most who think on this how, even if some god could be real, no god that is reported to have created this world of unethical harm could nor should be found to be worthy!
If one lives multiple cultures or live multiple realities, such as per say: Supper rich to homeless, great love and support then it’s gone, more than one culture, etc. there can be some level of other understanding thus some amount of self-transience.
But the more one is self-actualized the person is, the easier it is to be self-transcendent and the more complete and universal it will be.
The absurd thought contradictory idea in religion is once you did you are judged be it a god or karma but this is ridiculous one for it would mean that all choice is removed at death even though the claim of conciseness continues.
What I mean if you can now be finally jugged you cannot do anything different or be judged once in say a spirit or ghost form all ethical responsibility is removed no one can thus in this thinking commit a new unethical action or sin.
You say well there is nobody that did not stop what the Abrahamic religions angels to be not so deemed unaccountable. How can you say wrong is wrong but then choose when it is true?
Such religions even can be thought of as calming that even the thought of committing sin attaches the commotion of sin.
If this is true how then could you not hold a god or any so-called spirit being to an ethical slandered? If one is standardless, they are not good because good has to be in relation to something or it can mean nothing.
Therefore, this god can be seen as standardless, so cannot do good or evil like things without a mind and only asks the flawed living creations he is responsible for to doing things good to receive a reward or not evil to avoid punishment.
Religion puts god outside of responsibility no matter what reprehensible, unjust, or unethical things he is guilty of like most people think of spirits or ghosts though they still can show some form of conciseness all attached ethical responsibility is removed no one can thus in this thinking commit a new unethical action or sin can they?
If all ethical responsibility is removed and no more sin commented we must become choiceless or standardless or is ethics and sin only for the bodied soul the freer unbodied soul can say I have finally arrived I can do no wrong ever again but could we not continue to thing?
Why only require ethically responsible choice of what is so apparently a flawed living creations god is responsible for creating? If we are unbodied we can experience no hunger, no loneliness, no pleasure, no pain, etc. what need would we at that point need with a lack of ethical slandered or a moral relativism so abstract we can never in any way do wrong?
Unbodied being surly feel, think and have desires or they are void thus haven would not be the reward it claims to be right?
Why not be a just god and choiceless or standardless or is ethics removed from sin when we need it to survive as flawed living creations he is responsible for making flawed or don’t treat us special be just and make all living and dead choiceless or standardless or is ethics removed from sin that would be equality or like multiculturalism or multirealityism and the god myth would be self-actualized and self-transcend.
So, how can we not see the unethicalness of one who claims to have caused or invented pain, are they not more or at least as just as guilty as one who inflicts pain on others?
Or can you see only atheism is reasonable?
Why care? Because we are Dignity Beings.
Axiological Dignity Being Theory
While hallucinogens are associated with shamanism, it is alcohol that is associated with paganism.
The Atheist-Humanist-Leftist Revolutionaries Shows in the prehistory series:
Show two: Pre-animism 300,000 years old and animism 100,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”
Show tree: Totemism 50,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”
Show four: Shamanism 30,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”
Show five: Paganism 12,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”
Show six: Emergence of hierarchy, sexism, slavery, and the new male god dominance: Paganism 7,000-5,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Capitalism) (World War 0) Elite and their slaves!
Prehistory: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” the division of labor, power, rights, and recourses: VIDEO
Pre-animism 300,000 years old and animism 100,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”: VIDEO
Totemism 50,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”: VIDEO
Shamanism 30,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”: VIDEO
Paganism 12,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Pre-Capitalism): VIDEO
Paganism 7,000-5,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Capitalism) (World War 0) Elite and their slaves: VIEDO
Paganism 5,000 years old: progressed organized religion and the state: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Kings and the Rise of the State): VIEDO
Paganism 4,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (First Moralistic gods, then the Origin time of Monotheism): VIEDO
I do not hate simply because I challenge and expose myths or lies any more than others being thought of as loving simply because of the protection and hiding from challenge their favored myths or lies.
The truth is best championed in the sunlight of challenge.
An archaeologist once said to me “Damien religion and culture are very different”
My response, So are you saying that was always that way, such as would you say Native Americans’ cultures are separate from their religions? And do you think it always was the way you believe?
I had said that religion was a cultural product. That is still how I see it and there are other archaeologists that think close to me as well. Gods too are the myths of cultures that did not understand science or the world around them, seeing magic/supernatural everywhere.
I personally think there is a goddess and not enough evidence to support a male god at Çatalhöyük but if there was both a male and female god and goddess then I know the kind of gods they were like Proto-Indo-European mythology.
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Why Does Power Bring Responsibility?
Think, how often is it the powerless that start wars, oppress others, or commit genocide? So, I guess the question is to us all, to ask, how can power not carry responsibility in a humanity concept? I know I see the deep ethical responsibility that if there is power their must be a humanistic responsibility of ethical and empathic stewardship of that power. Will I be brave enough to be kind? Will I possess enough courage to be compassionate? Will my valor reached its height of empathy? I as everyone earns our justified respect by our actions, that are good, ethical, just, protecting, and kind. Do I have enough self-respect to put my love for humanity’s flushing, over being brought down by some of its bad actors? May we all be the ones doing good actions in the world, to help human flourishing.
I create the world I want to live in, striving for flourishing. Which is not a place but a positive potential involvement and promotion; a life of humanist goal precision. To master oneself, also means mastering positive prosocial behaviors needed for human flourishing. I may have lost a god myth as an atheist but I am happy to tell you my friend, it is exactly because of that, leaving the mental terrorizer, god belief that I truly regained my connected ethical as well as kind humanity.
Cory and I will talk about prehistory and theism, addressing the relevance to atheism, anarchism, and socialism.
At the same time of the rise of the male god 7,000 years ago was also the very time there was the rise of violence war, and clans to kingdoms, then empires, then states. It is all connected back to 7,000 years ago and it mover across the world.
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