The above art is related to Oumuamua, which was the first interstellar object detected passing through our solar system. Observed in 2017, characterized by a unique cigar-like shape and an unexplained speed boost as it departed. Although its peculiar properties initially sparked various theories, including the possibility of an artificial origin, the leading scientific explanation for its acceleration is the gentle outgassing of molecular hydrogen trapped within its ice by cosmic rays, a process that wouldn’t create a visible coma or tail. ref, ref

‘Oumuamua’ was no alien spaceship, scientists say. Here’s how they explain the interstellar mystery

“A new look at the first interstellar object known to have visited our solar system gives a thumbs-down to supernatural explanations. “We have never seen anything like ‘Oumuamua in our solar system,” Matthew Knight, an astronomer at the University of Maryland and first author on a new paper about the mysterious object, said in a statement. “It’s really a mystery still.” Knight was part of the ‘Oumuamua International Space Science Institute (ISSI) Team, a group that examined all of the observations and studies of the passing visitor. The scientists concluded that aliens are not needed to explain ‘Oumuamua, as a natural explanation satisfies the observations. Their study was published today (July 1) in the journal Nature Astronomy.” ref

“Our preference is to stick with analogs we know, unless or until we find something unique,” Knight said. “The alien spacecraft hypothesis is a fun idea, but our analysis suggests there is a whole host of natural phenomena that could explain it.” The scientists who suggested that the object could be an alien spacecraft also argued that the lack of similar natural objects in space suggests that ‘Oumuamua should never have been discovered, and may therefore have been deliberately aimed at Earth. Similarly, its unlikely orbit sent it closer to Earth than any other planet, a so-called special orbit that suggests it may have sought us out.” ref

“Knight and his colleagues argued that, while simulations suggest how much material — roughly one Earth-mass — gets ejected during planet formation, the true amount of debris ejected during these events remains unknown: It could be a few large objects or many smaller ones. Some estimates suggest that roughly two extrasolar objects pass by the sun each year. Knight also pointed out that small, faint objects like ‘Oumuamua should constantly breeze through the solar system but are often too faint to be visible. These items can only be spotted when they are near our planet. “‘Oumuamua’s orbit is completely average when compared with detectable interstellar objects,” Raymond wrote. “The ones we could find are mostly on ‘special’ orbits.” ref

“What about the strange elongated shape of the visitor? “The thing is, we don’t know ‘Oumuamua’s actual shape,” Raymond wrote. Researchers only had a limited time to observe the faint fleeing object. While it could look like a cigar, it could also bear a strong resemblance to a pancake. Even a cigar shape could have a natural explanation. ‘Oumuamua could be a fragment of a larger object shredded before it was ejected, a process that stretched it out. Slow collisions with objects in its home system could have produced its bizarre shape. Or the fast-traveling dust between the stars could have crashed into the visitor, carving out an elongated cigar. Or it could be something else entirely.” ref

“If ‘Oumuamua isn’t an alien spacecraft, what might it be? “There is no universally accepted answer, but signs point toward ‘Oumuamua being similar to solar system comets,” Raymond wrote. Comet-like objects are constantly tossed out of their systems by large planets and passing stars. A full-size comet or a cometary fragment would fit with the appearance and acceleration of ‘Oumuamua, according to the researchers. “It is possible that some of ‘Oumuamua’s weirdnesses are simply due to its small size,” Raymond wrote. He added that the properties of very few similarly sized objects in the solar system are known because their small size and faintness makes them a challenge to observe.” ref

“Signs point to ‘Oumuamua being a natural object. Maybe something similar to a comet,” he wrote. “But no aliens.” If the interstellar visitor resembles other travelers, then it would most likely have similar origins. Only if it was dramatically different from the majority of visitors might scientists begin to consider more fantastic origins. “If we find 10 to 20 of these things and ‘Oumuamua still looks unusual, we’ll have to reexamine our explanations,” Knight said.” ref

Is unidentified space phenomena evidence of aliens?
AI Overview: No, there is no confirmed evidence or credible findings by U.S. government bodies (like the Pentagon or NASA) or scientific institutions that link unidentified space phenomena (UAPs, also known as UFOs) to aliens or extraterrestrial technologyWhile some sightings remain unexplained, investigations have found them to be ordinary objects, misidentifications, or phenomena that require further focused scientific study, not necessarily alien activity.
What the investigations have found:
  • No evidence of alien technology:
    Official U.S. government studies, including recent reports from the Pentagon’s All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), have found no empirical evidence to support the claim of extraterrestrial technology. 
  • Most sightings are mundane:
    AARO resolved hundreds of cases by identifying them as common objects like balloons, birds, drones, satellites, or known aircraft. 
  • Some cases remain unresolved:
    A small percentage of reported UAPs are potentially anomalous and require more resources and investigation, but this does not equate to alien evidence. 
  • Focus on science:
    Organizations like NASA and the University of Rochester emphasize the need for scientific standards of evidence in the investigation of UAPs, which aims to shed light on the phenomenon and how science works in this area. 
Why the assumption of aliens persists:
  • Pseudoscience and media interest:
    The linking of UFOs to alien life (the “extraterrestrial hypothesis”) became prominent in the mid-20th century and has been fueled by pseudoscience and public interest. 
  • “Proof by elimination” isn’t proof:
    A common argument is that if something isn’t a known human-made object or natural phenomenon, it must be alien. However, this is not compelling evidence. 
AI Overview Summary: While the idea of alien visitors is captivating, official and scientific investigations have not produced any credible evidence to support it. The focus remains on scientific analysis of unexplained events. 

Pentagon study finds no sign of alien life in reported UFO sightings going back decades

“WASHINGTON (AP) — A Pentagon study released Friday that examined reported sightings of UFOs over nearly the last century found no evidence of aliens or extraterrestrial intelligence, a conclusion consistent with past U.S. government efforts to assess the accuracy of claims that have captivated public attention for decades. The study from the Defense Department’s All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office analyzed U.S. government investigations since 1945 of reported sightings of unidentified anomalous phenomena, more popularly known as UFOs. It found no evidence that any of them were signs of alien life, or that the U.S. government and private companies had reverse-engineered extraterrestrial technology and were hiding it.” ref

“All investigative efforts, at all levels of classification, concluded that most sightings were ordinary objects and phenomena and the result of misidentification,” said the report, which was mandated by Congress. Another volume of the report focused on more recent research will be out later. U.S. officials have endeavored to find answers to legions of reported UFO sightings over the years, but so far have not identified any actual evidence of extraterrestrial life. A 2021 government report that reviewed 144 sightings of aircraft or other devices apparently flying at mysterious speeds or trajectories found no extraterrestrial links, but drew few other conclusions and called for better data collection.” ref

“The issue received fresh attention last summer when a retired Air Force intelligence officer testified to Congress that the U.S. was concealing a longstanding program that retrieves and reverse engineers unidentified flying objects. The Pentagon has denied his claims, and said in late 2022 that a new Pentagon office set up to track reports of unidentified flying objects — the same one that released Friday’s report — had received “several hundreds” of new reports, but had found no evidence so far of alien life. The authors of Friday’s report said the purpose was to apply a rigorous scientific analysis to a subject that has long captured the American public’s imagination.” ref

“AARO recognizes that many people sincerely hold versions of these beliefs which are based on their perception of past experiences, the experiences of others whom they trust, or media and online outlets they believe to be sources of credible and verifiable information,” the report said. “The proliferation of television programs, books, movies, and the vast amount of internet and social media content centered on UAP-related topics most likely has influenced the public conversation on this topic, and reinforced these beliefs within some sections of the population,” it added.” ref

Extraterrestrial life, or Alien life?

“Extraterrestrial life, or alien life (colloquially, Aliens), is life that originates from another world rather than on Earth. No extraterrestrial life has yet been scientifically conclusively detected. Such life might range from simple forms such as prokaryotes to intelligent beings, possibly bringing forth civilizations that might be far more, or far less, advanced than humans. The Drake equation speculates about the existence of sapient life elsewhere in the universe. The science of extraterrestrial life is known as astrobiology. Speculation about the possibility of inhabited worlds beyond Earth dates back to antiquity. Early Christian writers discussed the idea of a “plurality of worlds” as proposed by earlier thinkers such as Democritus; Augustine references Epicurus‘s idea of innumerable worlds “throughout the boundless immensity of space” in The City of God.” ref

Since the mid-20th century, active research has taken place to look for signs of extraterrestrial life, encompassing searches for current and historic extraterrestrial life, and a narrower search for extraterrestrial intelligent lifeSolar system exploration has investigated conditions for life, especially on VenusMarsEuropa, and Titan. Exoplanets were first detected in 1992. As of 14 August 2025, there are 5,983 confirmed exoplanets in 4,470 planetary systems, with 1,001 systems having more than one planet. Depending on the category of search, methods range from analysis of telescope and specimen data to radios used to detect and transmit interstellar communication. Interstellar travel remains largely hypothetical, with only the Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 probes confirmed to have entered the interstellar medium.” ref

“It is unclear if life, and more importantly, intelligent life in the cosmos is ubiquitous or rare. The hypothesis of ubiquitous extraterrestrial life relies on three main ideas. The first one, the size of the universe allows for plenty of planets to have a similar habitability to Earth, and the age of the universe gives enough time for a long process analog to the history of Earth to happen there. The second is that the chemical elements that make up life, such as carbon and water, are ubiquitous in the universe. The third is that the physical laws are universal, which means that the forces that would facilitate or prevent the existence of life would be the same ones as on Earth. According to this argument, made by scientists such as Carl Sagan and Stephen Hawking, it would be improbable for life not to exist somewhere else other than Earth. This argument is embodied in the Copernican principle, which states that Earth does not occupy a unique position in the Universe, and the mediocrity principle, which states that there is nothing special about life on Earth.” ref

“Other authors consider instead that life in the cosmos, or at least multicellular life, may be actually rare. The Rare Earth hypothesis maintains that life on Earth is possible because of a series of factors that range from the location in the galaxy and the configuration of the Solar System to local characteristics of the planet, and that it is unlikely that all such requirements are simultaneously met by another planet. The proponents of this hypothesis consider that very little evidence suggests the existence of extraterrestrial life and that at this point it is just a desired result and not a reasonable scientific explanation for any gathered data. The Solar System has a wide variety of planets, dwarf planets, and moons, and each one is studied for its potential to host life. Each one has its own specific conditions that may benefit or harm life. So far, the only lifeforms found are those from Earth. No extraterrestrial intelligence other than humans exists or has ever existed within the Solar System. Astrobiologist Mary Voytek points out that it would be unlikely to find large ecosystems, as they would have already been detected by now.” ref

“The science that searches and studies life in the universe, both on Earth and elsewhere, is called astrobiology. With the study of Earth’s life, the only known form of life, astrobiology seeks to study how life starts and evolves and the requirements for its continuous existence. This helps to determine what to look for when searching for life in other celestial bodies. This is a complex area of study, and uses the combined perspectives of several scientific disciplines, such as astronomy, biology, chemistry, geology, oceanography, and atmospheric sciencesThe scientific search for extraterrestrial life is being carried out both directly and indirectly. As of September 2017, 3,667 exoplanets in 2,747 systems have been identified, and other planets and moons in the Solar System hold the potential for hosting primitive life such as microorganisms. As of 8 February 2021, an updated status of studies considering the possible detection of lifeforms on Venus (via phosphine) and Mars (via methane) was reported.” ref

“Scientists search for biosignatures within the Solar System by studying planetary surfaces and examining meteorites. Some claim to have identified evidence that microbial life has existed on Mars. In 1996, a controversial report stated that structures resembling nanobacteria were discovered in a meteorite, ALH84001, formed of rock ejected from Mars. Although all the unusual properties of the meteorite were eventually explained as the result of inorganic processes, the controversy over its discovery laid the groundwork for the development of astrobiology. An experiment on the two Viking Mars landers reported gas emissions from heated Martian soil samples that some scientists argue are consistent with the presence of living microorganisms. Lack of corroborating evidence from other experiments on the same samples suggests that a non-biological reaction is a more likely hypothesis.” ref

“In February 2005, NASA scientists reported they may have found some evidence of extraterrestrial life on Mars. The two scientists, Carol Stoker and Larry Lemke of NASA’s Ames Research Center, based their claim on methane signatures found in Mars’s atmosphere resembling the methane production of some forms of primitive life on Earth, as well as on their own study of primitive life near the Rio Tinto river in Spain. NASA officials soon distanced NASA from the scientists’ claims, and Stoker herself backed off from her initial assertions. In November 2011, NASA launched the Mars Science Laboratory that landed the Curiosity rover on Mars. It is designed to assess the past and present habitability on Mars using a variety of scientific instruments. The rover landed on Mars at Gale Crater in August 2012. A group of scientists at Cornell University started a catalog of microorganisms, with the way each one reacts to sunlight. The goal is to help with the search for similar organisms in exoplanets, as the starlight reflected by planets rich in such organisms would have a specific spectrum, unlike that of starlight reflected from lifeless planets. If Earth was studied from afar with this system, it would reveal a shade of green, as a result of the abundance of plants with photosynthesis.” ref

“In August 2011, NASA studied meteorites found on Antarctica, finding adenine, guanine, hypoxanthine and xanthine. Adenine and guanine are components of DNA, and the others are used in other biological processes. The studies ruled out pollution of the meteorites on Earth, as those components would not be freely available the way they were found in the samples. This discovery suggests that several organic molecules that serve as building blocks of life may be generated within asteroids and comets. In October 2011, scientists reported that cosmic dust contains complex organic compounds (“amorphous organic solids with a mixed aromaticaliphatic structure”) that could be created naturally, and rapidly, by stars. It is still unclear if those compounds played a role in the creation of life on Earth, but Sun Kwok, of the University of Hong Kong, thinks so. “If this is the case, life on Earth may have had an easier time getting started as these organics can serve as basic ingredients for life.” ref

“In August 2012, and in a world first, astronomers at Copenhagen University reported the detection of a specific sugar molecule, glycolaldehyde, in a distant star system. The molecule was found around the protostellar binary IRAS 16293-2422, which is located 400 light years from Earth. Glycolaldehyde is needed to form ribonucleic acid, or RNA, which is similar in function to DNA. This finding suggests that complex organic molecules may form in stellar systems prior to the formation of planets, eventually arriving on young planets early in their formation. In December 2023, astronomers reported the first time discovery, in the plumes of Enceladus, moon of the planet Saturn, of hydrogen cyanide, a possible chemical essential for life as we know it, as well as other organic molecules, some of which are yet to be better identified and understood. According to the researchers, “these [newly discovered] compounds could potentially support extant microbial communities or drive complex organic synthesis leading to the origin of life.” ref

“The search and study of extraterrestrial life became a science of its own, astrobiology. Also known as exobiology, this discipline is studied by the NASA, the ESA, the INAF, and others. Astrobiology studies life from Earth as well, but with a cosmic perspective. For example, abiogenesis is of interest to astrobiology, not because of the origin of life on Earth, but for the chances of a similar process taking place in other celestial bodies. Many aspects of life, from its definition to its chemistry, are analyzed as either likely to be similar in all forms of life across the cosmos or only native to Earth. Astrobiology, however, remains constrained by the current lack of extraterrestrial life-forms to study, as all life on Earth comes from the same ancestor, and it is hard to infer general characteristics from a group with a single example to analyse.” ref

“The 20th century came with great technological advances, speculations about future hypothetical technologies, and an increased basic knowledge of science by the general population thanks to science divulgation through the mass media. The public interest in extraterrestrial life and the lack of discoveries by mainstream science led to the emergence of pseudosciences that provided affirmative, if questionable, answers to the existence of aliens. Ufology claims that many unidentified flying objects (UFOs) would be spaceships from alien species, and ancient astronauts hypothesis claim that aliens would have visited Earth in antiquity and prehistoric times but people would have failed to understand it by then. Most UFOs or UFO sightings can be readily explained as sightings of Earth-based aircraft (including top-secret aircraft), known astronomical objects or weather phenomenons, or as hoaxes.” ref

“Looking beyond the pseudosciences, Lewis White Beck strove to elevate the level of public discourse on the topic of extraterrestrial life by tracing the evolution of philosophical thought over the centuries from ancient times into the modern era. His review of the contributions made by Lucretius, Plutarch, Aristotle, Copernicus, Immanuel Kant, John Wilkins, Charles Darwin and Karl Marx demonstrated that even in modern times, humanity could be profoundly influenced in its search for extraterrestrial life by subtle and comforting archetypal ideas which are largely derived from firmly held religious, philosophical and existential belief systems. On a positive note, however, Beck further argued that even if the search for extraterrestrial life proves to be unsuccessful, the endeavor itself could have beneficial consequences by assisting humanity in its attempt to actualize superior ways of living here on Earth.” ref

“By the 21st century, it was accepted that multicellular life in the Solar System can only exist on Earth, but the interest in extraterrestrial life increased regardless. This is a result of the advances in several sciences. The knowledge of planetary habitability allows to consider on scientific terms the likelihood of finding life at each specific celestial body, as it is known which features are beneficial and harmful for life. Astronomy and telescopes also improved to the point exoplanets can be confirmed and even studied, increasing the number of search places. Life may still exist elsewhere in the Solar System in unicellular form, but the advances in spacecraft allow to send robots to study samples in situ, with tools of growing complexity and reliability. Although no extraterrestrial life has been found and life may still be just a rarity from Earth, there are scientific reasons to suspect that it can exist elsewhere, and technological advances that may detect it if it does.” ref

“Many scientists are optimistic about the chances of finding alien life. In the words of SETI’s Frank Drake, “All we know for sure is that the sky is not littered with powerful microwave transmitters”. Drake noted that it is entirely possible that advanced technology results in communication being carried out in some way other than conventional radio transmission. At the same time, the data returned by space probes, and giant strides in detection methods, have allowed science to begin delineating habitability criteria on other worlds, and to confirm that at least other planets are plentiful, though aliens remain a question mark. The Wow! signal, detected in 1977 by a SETI project, remains a subject of speculative debate.” ref

“On the other hand, other scientists are pessimistic. Jacques Monod wrote that “Man knows at last that he is alone in the indifferent immensity of the universe, whence which he has emerged by chance”. In 2000, geologist and paleontologist Peter Ward and astrobiologist Donald Brownlee published a book entitled Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe. In it, they discussed the Rare Earth hypothesis, in which they claim that Earth-like life is rare in the universe, whereas microbial life is common. Ward and Brownlee are open to the idea of evolution on other planets that is not based on essential Earth-like characteristics such as DNA and carbon. As for the possible risks, theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking warned in 2010 that humans should not try to contact alien life forms. He warned that aliens might pillage Earth for resources. “If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn’t turn out well for the Native Americans“, he said.” ref

Jared Diamond had earlier expressed similar concerns. On 20 July 2015, Hawking and Russian billionaire Yuri Milner, along with the SETI Institute, announced a well-funded effort, called the Breakthrough Initiatives, to expand efforts to search for extraterrestrial life. The group contracted the services of the 100-meter Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope in West Virginia in the United States and the 64-meter Parkes Telescope in New South Wales, Australia. On 13 February 2015, scientists (including Geoffrey Marcy, Seth Shostak, Frank Drake and David Brin) at a convention of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, discussed Active SETI and whether transmitting a message to possible intelligent extraterrestrials in the Cosmos was a good idea; one result was a statement, signed by many, that a “worldwide scientific, political and humanitarian discussion must occur before any message is sent.” ref

SETI chief says US has no evidence for alien technology. ‘And we never have’

“(2024) The idea that the government is keeping something like this secret is just totally absurd. There’s no motivation to do so. If all the reports of mysterious objects buzzing our skies are taken as true encounters, the Earth appears to be under assault. But spoiler alert: For the chief leader of the SETI Institute, established to search for and understand life beyond Earth, there’s a need to step back and cuddle up to a cup of cosmic reality. “We don’t have any evidence of any credible source that would indicate the presence of alien technology in our skies. And we never have,” said Bill Diamond, president and chief executive officer of the SETI Institute, headquartered in Mountain View, California. “The idea that the government is keeping something like this secret is just totally absurd. There’s no motivation to do so.” ref

An astrophysics team says observation of chemical compounds may be ‘strongest evidence, so far’ in the search for extraterrestrial life

“A giant planet 124 light-years from Earth has yielded the strongest evidence yet that extraterrestrial life may be thriving beyond our solar system, astronomers claim. Observations by the James Webb space telescope of a planet called K2-18 b appear to reveal the chemical fingerprints of two compounds that, on Earth, are only known to be produced by life. Detection of the chemicals, dimethyl sulfide (DMS) and dimethyl disulfide (DMDS) would not amount to proof of alien biological activity, but could bring the answer to the question of whether we are alone in the universe much closer. “This is the strongest evidence to date for a biological activity beyond the solar system,” said Prof Nikku Madhusudhan, an astrophysicist at the University of Cambridge who led the observations. “We are very cautious. We have to question ourselves both on whether the signal is real and what it means. Others are more sceptical, with questions remaining about whether the overall conditions on K2-18 b, are favourable to life and whether DMS and DMDS, which are largely produced by marine phytoplankton on Earth, can be reliably regarded as biosignatures. There may be processes that we don’t know about that are producing these molecules,” Madhusudhan said. “But I don’t think there is any known process that can explain this without biology.ref

Scientists have been searching for evidence of extraterrestrial life for decades.

So, where are all the aliens?

Here are 12 theories why no Aliens have been found:

  • We’re looking in the wrong universe
  • Aliens don’t live on planets
  • The aliens are hiding in underground oceans
  • The aliens are imprisoned on “super-Earths”
  • We’re looking in the wrong places (because all aliens are robots)
  • We’ve already found aliens (but are too distracted to realize it)
  • Humans will kill all the aliens (or already have)
  • The aliens triggered climate change (and died)
  • Aliens used clean energy, but still triggered climate change (and died)
  • The aliens couldn’t evolve fast enough (and died)
  • Dark energy is splitting us apart
  • Twist ending: We ARE the aliensref
Here are the thoughts of a person who messaged me, trying to get me to believe them on potential phenomena being evidence of Aliens:
 
“The Voyager 1 spacecraft, launched on September 5, 1977, has been transmitting data from the farthest reaches of our solar system and beyond, providing scientists with a unique opportunity to explore the unknown regions of space and potentially uncover new phenomena or forms of communication. Then, in 2017, researchers detected an unexplained sound emanating from the spacecraft, which has left the scientific community in a state of bewilderment. This anomalous sound, characterized as a low-frequency hum, was recorded by the Plasma Wave System (PWS), an instrument designed to detect the vibrational frequencies of charged particles in space. The PWS sensors detected a sharp, rhythmic pulsing, nearly a heartbeat, occurring at regular intervals, which seemed to fluctuate in perfect mathematical intervals, thereby exhibiting a high degree of temporal coherence. The unexplained sound is not the only anomaly that Voyager 1 has experienced, as the spacecraft also underwent a trajectory modification without any command from Earth or mechanical error. Voyager 1 reoriented itself, aligning its camera array toward a region of space devoid of known stars, galaxies, or gravitational anomalies, thereby raising fundamental questions about the nature of this course alteration. The precise adjustment of the spacecraft’s attitude and trajectory suggests that some unknown force or intelligence may have influenced the spacecraft’s dynamics, thereby necessitating a thorough investigation into the underlying causes of this phenomenon. Scientists are struggling to comprehend the implications of this anomaly and its potential relationship to the unexplained sound, thereby underscoring the complexity and intrigue of this phenomenon.” – Messenger
 
“Thus, one possible explanation for the anomalies experienced by Voyager 1 is that it might have encountered an unknown intelligence or phenomenon that doesn’t communicate in our frequency bands but might utilize gravitational waves or magnetic distortions to convey information. The signals transmitted by Voyager 1 contain complex patterns resembling binary logic and harmonic resonance, which some experts believe could be a response to the Golden Record, a copper disc containing greetings in 55 languages and human music. This disc was included aboard Voyager 1 to introduce humanity to potential extraterrestrial life, and some scientists now wonder if something or someone has decoded the record and is responding through Voyager 1. The potential implications of this hypothesis are profound, as it would suggest that Voyager 1 has encountered an intelligent entity or phenomenon that is capable of understanding and responding to human communication. As such, the Golden Record’s potential role in the anomalies experienced by Voyager 1 raises fundamental questions about the existence of extraterrestrial life or intelligence, and the possibility of interstellar communication. If Voyager 1 has indeed received a response to the Golden Record, it would be a groundbreaking discovery that challenges our current understanding of the universe and our place within it. Nevertheless, the Voyager 1 spacecraft continues to send back data, providing scientists with a unique opportunity to explore the unknown regions of space and potentially uncover new phenomena or forms of communication. As researchers continue to analyze the data from Voyager 1, they may uncover more clues about the nature of the unexplained sound and course change, and the possibilities of extraterrestrial life or intelligence, thereby expanding our understanding of the cosmos and its many mysteries.” – Messenger
 
“The anomalous attributes of ‘Oumuamua precipitated a profound scientific controversy, as astronomers endeavored to reconcile the object’s enigmatic characteristics with existing paradigms of celestial mechanics. ‘Oumuamua’s trajectory, specifically its hyperbolic orbit, indicated that it originated from interstellar space and was merely passing through our solar system, a trajectory that is highly atypical for a natural solar system object. This peculiarity is precisely what would be expected for an interstellar interloper, thereby underscoring the object’s extraterrestrial provenance. Furthermore, the object’s velocity was not inherently anomalous, but rather, it was the unexplained acceleration that it experienced as it receded from the sun that proved to be the most enigmatic aspect of its behavior. The acceleration of ‘Oumuamua, which exceeded the gravitational expectations, posed a significant challenge to scientists, as they struggled to identify the underlying cause of this phenomenon. The acceleration of ‘Oumuamua, which was subtle yet unmistakable, suggested that some unknown force or mechanism was influencing the object’s motion. The absence of a visible coma or tail, which are the hallmarks of a comet, further complicated the picture, as comets typically exhibit such features due to the outgassing of icy material from their surfaces when heated by the sun. The lack of observable outgassing or cometary activity led scientists to propose alternative explanations for the acceleration, including the possibility of an exotic composition, such as solid nitrogen ice, or even, more provocatively, an artificial origin. The hypothesis that ‘Oumuamua’s acceleration could be attributed to outgassing, albeit of an invisible or volatile substance, was also considered, although this would require a fundamental reevaluation of our current understanding of cometary behavior.” – Messenger
 
“Moreover, the object’s unusual shape and rotation period added to the enigma, as scientists struggled to reconcile these characteristics with the object’s observed motion. The unusual combination of ‘Oumuamua’s characteristics, including its unexplained acceleration and lack of cometary activity, prompted some scientists to question whether the object was a natural entity. The hypothesis that ‘Oumuamua might be of extraterrestrial origin, championed by Harvard physicist Avi Loeb, generated significant attention and debate within the scientific community. Although this hypothesis remains highly speculative and lacks concrete evidence, it underscores the profound implications of ‘Oumuamua’s anomalous behavior. The majority of scientists, however, favor more prosaic explanations, such as the outgassing of an invisible, volatile substance, which would imply that ‘Oumuamua is a natural object that is not yet fully understood. The scientific community’s fascination with ‘Oumuamua is a testament to the object’s enigmatic nature, and the ongoing debate surrounding its origins and composition serves as a reminder of the complexities and uncertainties inherent in the study of celestial objects. The scientific investigation of ‘Oumuamua highlights the complexities and uncertainties inherent in the study of celestial objects. The object’s unusual characteristics, including its hyperbolic orbit, unexplained acceleration, and lack of cometary activity, have forced scientists to reexamine their assumptions about the nature of interstellar objects and the mechanisms that govern their behavior. As researchers continue to study ‘Oumuamua and other similar objects, they may uncover new insights into the origins and composition of these enigmatic entities, which could, in turn, shed light on the mysteries of the universe.” – Messenger
 
“The study of ‘Oumuamua also underscores the importance of interdisciplinary research and collaboration in the pursuit of scientific knowledge, as scientists from diverse fields, including astronomy, physics, and astrobiology, contribute to our understanding of this enigmatic object. The study of ‘Oumuamua serves as a reminder of the vast mysteries that remain to be unraveled in the universe, and the importance of continued scientific inquiry and exploration in advancing our understanding of the cosmos. As scientists continue to probe the mysteries of ‘Oumuamua, they may uncover new insights into the nature of interstellar objects, the mechanisms that govern their behavior, and the potential implications for our understanding of the universe. The investigation of ‘Oumuamua also highlights the importance of maintaining a rigorous and open-minded approach to scientific inquiry, as scientists navigate the complexities and uncertainties inherent in the study of celestial objects. By embracing the unknown and the unexplained, scientists can continue to push the boundaries of human knowledge, and uncover new and exciting insights into the mysteries of the universe.” – Messenger
“Isn’t that scary?” – Messenger
 
My response, I read all that you posted, and it seems interesting, but not scary to me. If it is proven to be evidence of extraterrestrial life, cool with me. I don’t believe it is, but I am open to it. I think space will have many amazing things that are not evidence of extraterrestrial life. There may be extraterrestrial life, but the evidence for/proof of it will need to be made substantially, not lightly, with speculation.
“Scientists suggest that interstellar visitors are a natural occurrence, happening approximately once every 10,000 years. However, with four visitors, including Voyager 1, in less than 10 years from 2017, this phenomenon is noteworthy.” – Messenger
 
“The interstellar object 2I/Borisov has garnered significant attention from the scientific community due to its unusual characteristics and behavior, which some researchers have speculated could be indicative of alien technology. One possible explanation for this hypothesis is that 2I/Borisov’s composition and trajectory could be consistent with an artificial origin, potentially constituting a spacecraft or probe of extraterrestrial origin. For instance, the object’s unusual acceleration and deceleration patterns, as well as its apparent lack of a traditional cometary coma, have sparked debate about its potential nature. Some scientists have suggested that these characteristics could be evidence of an advanced technology beyond our current understanding, potentially used for propulsion or navigation. The possibility that 2I/Borisov could be an artificial object raises intriguing questions about the potential motivations and goals of its creators, and whether it might be designed to explore or communicate with other civilizations.” – Messenger
 
The detection of 2I/Borisov’s unusual activity, such as its variable brightness and rapid changes in its coma, has also raised questions about its potential origin. Some researchers have suggested that this activity could be indicative of an artificial structure or technology, potentially used to propel or maneuver the object. While this hypothesis is highly speculative and lacks concrete evidence, it highlights the intriguing possibilities surrounding interstellar objects like 2I/Borisov. Further study of this object and others like it could provide valuable insights into the nature of the universe and the potential for life beyond Earth. The study of 2I/Borisov’s activity could also shed light on the object’s composition and structure, potentially revealing clues about its origin and nature. By analyzing the object’s spectral signature and other properties, scientists may be able to determine whether it is a natural or artificial object. The possibility that 2I/Borisov could be alien technology raises fundamental questions about the nature of intelligence and civilization in the universe.” – Messenger
 
If 2I/Borisov is indeed an artificial object, it would imply that advanced civilizations capable of creating and launching interstellar spacecraft exist or have existed elsewhere in the universe. This would have significant implications for our understanding of the universe and our place within it, and would raise new questions about the potential for life and intelligence beyond Earth. While the hypothesis that 2I/Borisov is alien technology is intriguing, it remains speculative and requires further investigation and analysis to determine its validity. The search for extraterrestrial life and technology is an ongoing and dynamic field of research, with scientists continually seeking new evidence and observations to inform our understanding of the universe. As researchers continue to study 2I/Borisov and other interstellar objects, they may uncover new insights into the nature of the universe and the potential for life beyond Earth.” – Messenger
 
The study of interstellar objects like 2I/Borisov is a complex and multifaceted endeavor, requiring the coordination of multiple observational platforms and the application of advanced astronomical techniques. By combining data from a range of telescopes and spacecraft, scientists can develop a more comprehensive understanding of these objects and their potential origins. The search for extraterrestrial life and technology is an ongoing and dynamic field of research, with scientists continually seeking new evidence and observations to inform our understanding of the universe. As researchers continue to study interstellar objects and other celestial phenomena, they may uncover new insights into the nature of the universe and the potential for life beyond Earth. The study of 2I/Borisov and other interstellar objects could also provide valuable insights into the formation and evolution of planetary systems, and the potential for life to arise and evolve elsewhere in the universe.” – Messenger
 
The investigation of 2I/Borisov and other interstellar objects requires a rigorous and systematic approach, combining theoretical modeling and simulation with observational data and analysis. By leveraging advanced computational tools and techniques, scientists can develop more sophisticated models of these objects and their potential behavior, and can test hypotheses about their origin and nature. The study of interstellar objects like 2I/Borisov is an exciting and rapidly evolving field, with new discoveries and insights emerging regularly. As scientists continue to study these objects, they may uncover new and exciting information about the universe and its potential for life, including the possibility of alien technology. The potential implications of such a discovery would be profound, challenging our current understanding of the universe and our place within it, and raising new questions about the potential for life and intelligence beyond Earth.” – Messenger
 
Whatever it is, we’re going to have a chance to observe it, unless it messes with our technology somehow. As the interstellar object 3I/ATLAS is scheduled to pass behind the Sun from Earth’s vantage point in October 2025, astronomers will be faced with a temporary observational challenge due to the object’s proximity to the Sun’s radiant light. During this solar conjunction, ground-based telescopes will be unable to capture images of the object, thereby necessitating alternative observational strategies. To mitigate this limitation, NASA has devised a plan to utilize instruments onboard spacecraft orbiting Mars to capture images of 3I/ATLAS. Specifically, the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter’s (MRO) HiRISE camera will be employed to image the object as it passes within 29 million kilometers of Mars on October 3, 2025. The MRO’s HiRISE camera is a high-resolution camera that has been used to capture detailed images of the Martian surface, and its advanced optics will enable it to resolve 3I/ATLAS at a pixel resolution of 30 kilometers. The HiRISE camera’s advanced optics will enable it to capture high-resolution images of 3I/ATLAS, providing scientists with a unique opportunity to study the object’s composition, shape, and size.” – Messenger
 
The camera’s high-resolution imaging capabilities will allow scientists to gather detailed information about the object’s surface features, composition, and morphology. Furthermore, the timing of this observation is critical, as 3I/ATLAS’s closest approach to the Sun will occur in late October 2025, when Earth is positioned on the opposite side of the Sun. This observational strategy is part of a broader effort by NASA and other astronomical organizations to study the enigmatic object. By leveraging the MRO’s HiRISE camera, scientists will be able to gather crucial data on 3I/ATLAS during a period when ground-based observations are not feasible. The observation plan is a testament to the ingenuity and resourcefulness of astronomers, who are continually seeking innovative solutions to overcome the challenges inherent in studying celestial objects. The use of spacecraft orbiting Mars to observe 3I/ATLAS during solar conjunction highlights the importance of strategic planning and collaboration in the pursuit of scientific knowledge. Furthermore, this observation effort is part of a larger campaign to study 3I/ATLAS, which has already been observed by other telescopes, including the James Webb Space Telescope and the Hubble Space Telescope.” – Messenger
 
These observations have provided valuable insights into the object’s composition, behavior, and origin, and will continue to inform our understanding of this enigmatic interstellar visitor. The James Webb Space Telescope, for instance, has captured detailed spectra of 3I/ATLAS, revealing the presence of various molecular species, including water and carbon dioxide. The study of 3I/ATLAS is a complex and multifaceted endeavor, requiring the coordination of multiple observational platforms and the application of advanced astronomical techniques. By combining data from a range of telescopes and spacecraft, scientists will be able to develop a more comprehensive understanding of this object’s properties and behavior. The observation effort planned for October 2025 will provide a critical opportunity to gather new insights into 3I/ATLAS, and will contribute to a deeper understanding of the object’s place in the universe. As researchers continue to study 3I/ATLAS, they will undoubtedly uncover new and exciting information about this enigmatic object, and shed light on the mysteries of the interstellar medium. The successful execution of the observation plan will depend on the precise timing and coordination of the MRO’s HiRISE camera, and will require careful planning and execution to ensure that the data gathered are of the highest quality.” – Messenger
 
The successful execution of the observation plan will depend on the precise timing and coordination of the MRO’s HiRISE camera. As 3I/ATLAS passes within 29 million kilometers of Mars, the camera will capture high-resolution images of the object, providing scientists with a unique opportunity to study its composition and behavior. The data gathered during this observation effort will be invaluable, and will contribute to a greater understanding of 3I/ATLAS’s properties and its place in the universe. By leveraging the capabilities of the MRO’s HiRISE camera, scientists will be able to gain new insights into the object’s nature, and shed light on the mysteries of the interstellar medium. The observation effort will also provide an opportunity to test and validate the performance of the MRO’s HiRISE camera, and will demonstrate the capabilities of this advanced astronomical instrument.” – Messenger
“I’ve been paying attention to all of these interstellar events, because they are fascinating.” – Messenger
 
My response, The possibility of future knowledge is interesting. There are some beliefs that basic extraterrestrial life likely exists, based on the abundance of habitable environments and conditions in the universe. However, there is no consensus on intelligent or complex life, and more significantly, there is currently no concrete scientific evidence for any form of alien life.
 
“I can’t wait for the pictures of the MRO’s HiRISE camera. “I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief.” — Gerry Spence, It’s going to be our only hope of looking at the object. Is It A Comet or Alien Technology? (Video) and 3I Atlas UPDATE! Signs of artificial metal detected! (Video).– Messenger
“They’re saying they found nickel without copper, and this is not natural at all. Watch the last link I sent you. It’s stranger than that. The orb is in front of the object as well as behind it, defying physics. Nickel without iron, I was wrong, sorry. I did a lot of research last night.” – Messenger
 
“The discovery of nickel devoid of iron on the celestial entity 3I/Atlas has sparked considerable interest and debate within the scientific community, as this particular composition is not naturally occurring and has not been previously observed in any known astronomical objects. The absence of iron in conjunction with the presence of nickel is a distinctive signature that warrants further investigation, as it deviates from the expected elemental abundance patterns typically seen in celestial bodies. This anomalous finding has led some scientists to propose that the observed nickel signature may be indicative of industrial activity, thereby implying the presence of an advanced technological civilization.” – Messenger
 
“The detection of nickel without iron on 3I/Atlas is particularly noteworthy due to the fact that nickel and iron are often found in conjunction with one another in natural systems, such as in the cores of planets and asteroids. The separation of these elements is a complex process that typically requires advanced technological capabilities, thereby lending credence to the hypothesis that the observed nickel signature may be of industrial origin. Furthermore, the presence of nickel without iron on 3I/Atlas may also imply a level of technological sophistication that is capable of manipulating and processing metals on a large scale. The implications of this discovery are far-reaching and have significant ramifications for our understanding of the universe and the potential for life beyond Earth. If the observed nickel signature is indeed indicative of industrial activity, it would constitute a groundbreaking discovery that challenges our current understanding of the universe and our place within it.” – Messenger
 
“Moreover, it would also raise fundamental questions about the nature of the entity or civilization responsible for the observed phenomenon, including its origins, motivations, and ultimate fate. As such, further research and investigation are necessary to confirm the findings and shed light on the mysterious presence of nickel without iron on 3I/Atlas. The scientific community’s reaction to this discovery is one of cautious optimism, with many researchers expressing enthusiasm for the potential implications while also acknowledging the need for rigorous verification and validation of the findings. The detection of nickel without iron on 3I/Atlas serves as a poignant reminder of the complexities and mysteries that still surround us in the universe, and it highlights the importance of continued exploration and research into the unknown. Ultimately, the discovery of this anomalous nickel signature has opened up new avenues of inquiry and has the potential to revolutionize our understanding of the universe and our place within it.” – Messenger
 
My response, There are cosmic collisions can/have mixed normally non-mixed items to a new whole. Like our moon. The most widely accepted theory for the formation of the Moon is the Giant Impact hypothesis, which states that the Moon formed about 4.5 billion years ago when a Mars-sized object named Theia collided with the early Earth. The massive collision ejected debris from both bodies into space, which then coalesced under gravity to form the Moon. Evidence supporting this theory includes the Moon’s composition, which is similar to Earth’s mantle, and the unusual amount of rotational energy in the Earth-Moon system. We may now know why the moon has so much less bling than Earth. Gold, platinum and other metals known as highly siderophile (“iron-loving”) elements are far more abundant in Earth’s crust than in that of its natural satellite. That may seem odd, given the two worlds’ shared (and violent) history. About 4.5 billion years ago, a Mars-size planet dubbed Theia slammed into the proto-Earth, blasting huge amounts of material from both bodies into space. Some of this liberated stuff was incorporated into the bruised and battered Earth, and some coalesced to form the moon. But scientists don’t think that the highly siderophile elements (HSEs) were really part of that mix. These metals were likely delivered later by asteroid strikes; it has remained unclear why Earth got a larger share. For example, did Earth just happen to get clobbered by a few huge, HSE-rich rocks, whereas the moon managed to escape these catastrophic impacts? Or did a relatively steady stream of smaller HSE-bearing impactors preferentially hit Earth long ago, pulled in by our planet’s stronger gravity? “This has been a major problem in terms of how we understand the moon’s accretion history,” Qing-zhu Yin, a professor of earth and planetary sciences at the University of California, Davis, said in a statement.” ref
“I wrote about that theory as well before.. What I’m trying to say is you have to come up with rationalizations for each and every single one of these to say it is not alien technology, and when you put each of those rationalizations together as a whole, they make no sense at all; they might make sense for trying to rationalize that one particular interest, but not the entire object altogether. There hasn’t been an event more open to scientific Wonder, I would suggest, in the history of the world, and people are already trying to close their minds.” – Messenger
 
My response, Not having a rationale is not the same as having one that is lacking soundness. We can make specific speculations of unknown things, and the better the evidence suggests it, but often it is our belief that limits what ideas we think are possible or not, when it is evidence that should give us the best, but limited speculations. I find the arguments trying to prove external advanced life all lacking the soundness to speculate on this. We have life here, so there is, of course, the potential, but possibilities are not proof nor enough to make secondary connections. I welcome us finding some, but feel it cannot move up to push this belief into what we think is odd evidence. We have had lots of ideas about rain. Micrometeorites, or cosmic dust, do not directly cause rain, but they can influence precipitation by acting as cloud-seeding agents. Life is always more odd than we may commonly think.
“And we are collecting that evidence, and our best chance at collecting the evidence will be with the Mars satellites, so people are making conclusions before the evidence is even collected. While others argue that some possibilities are unlikely, I believe it’s essential to keep an open mind.” – Messenger
 
My response, We should be doing more to find evidence. I am all for it. I am glad we have satellites still helping. I am always open to what the evidence best explains.
 
“The evidence is best explaining, that it is Not natural as of right now. Given the current state of evidence, scientists are more likely to investigate natural causes, as there’s no conclusive proof of a natural explanation yet.” – Messenger
 
My response, We may not currently understand, means it also could be natural, as we don’t understand all natural things in space, like dark matter or dark energy, to give examples.
 
“The hypothesis that the interstellar object 3I/ATLAS is of extraterrestrial origin, potentially constituting alien technology, is a speculative idea posited by astrophysicist Avi Loeb and others, although it remains a topic of debate within the scientific community. While the object’s high speed and peculiar trajectory within the ecliptic plane have raised intriguing questions, the prevailing scientific consensus is that 3I/ATLAS is a natural, albeit unusual, comet. Loeb’s hypothesis suggests that 3I/ATLAS could be either a natural object or an artificial spacecraft, possibly powered by nuclear energy, with its path and dust emission potentially being indicative of extraterrestrial technology. This idea is predicated on the notion that the object’s unusual characteristics and behavior could be evidence of advanced technology beyond our current understanding.” – Messenger
 
“The scientific community’s interest in 3I/ATLAS is driven by the potential for this object to provide insights into the nature of interstellar objects and the possibility of extraterrestrial life. One of the primary arguments in favor of the alien technology hypothesis is the object’s unusual trajectory, which follows a path very close to the ecliptic plane, the orbital plane of the planets. According to Loeb, this trajectory suggests that 3I/ATLAS has been propelled by something beyond natural processes, potentially indicating the presence of advanced technology. Furthermore, the object’s high speed is also cited as evidence of its potentially artificial nature, as it cannot be explained by known natural cometary propulsion mechanisms. The dust emissions observed on the object’s surface are also seen as potentially indicative of extraterrestrial technology, with Loeb suggesting that they might be accumulated dirt from interstellar travel, similar to how a spacecraft might gather debris. The object’s unusual trajectory and behavior have sparked intense interest and debate within the scientific community, with many researchers seeking to understand the underlying causes of these phenomena.” – Messenger
 
“The potential for concealment is another aspect of 3I/ATLAS’s trajectory that has been highlighted by Loeb. Specifically, the object’s path takes it behind the Sun from an Earth-based perspective, a period during which it could potentially be used to hide its true nature and alter its course without being observed. This idea is speculative, but it underscores the intriguing possibilities surrounding 3I/ATLAS and its potential origins. While the majority of the scientific community remains skeptical of the alien technology hypothesis, the object’s unusual characteristics and behavior continue to fascinate scientists and inspire further investigation. The scientific community’s response to the alien technology hypothesis has been cautious, with many researchers emphasizing the need for more data and observations before drawing conclusions about the object’s nature.” – Messenger
 
“The scientific community’s response to the alien technology hypothesis has been characterized by a healthy dose of skepticism, with many researchers emphasizing the need for more data and observations before drawing conclusions about the object’s nature. While Loeb’s hypothesis is intriguing, it remains speculative and lacks concrete evidence to support it. In contrast, the prevailing scientific consensus is that 3I/ATLAS is a natural comet, albeit one with unusual characteristics. Further research and observations are necessary to determine the object’s true nature and origin, and to shed light on the mysteries surrounding this enigmatic interstellar visitor. The study of 3I/ATLAS highlights the complexities and challenges of searching for extraterrestrial life and technology, and the need for a rigorous and systematic approach to scientific inquiry. The study of 3I/ATLAS is a complex and multifaceted endeavor, requiring the coordination of multiple observational platforms and the application of advanced astronomical techniques. By combining data from a range of telescopes and spacecraft, scientists will be able to develop a more comprehensive understanding of this object’s properties and behavior.” – Messenger
 
“The observation effort planned for 3I/ATLAS will provide a critical opportunity to gather new insights into the object’s nature, and will contribute to a deeper understanding of its place in the universe. As researchers continue to study 3I/ATLAS and other celestial objects, they may uncover new insights into the nature of the universe and the potential for life beyond Earth. The search for extraterrestrial life and technology is an ongoing and dynamic field of research, with scientists continually seeking new evidence and observations to inform our understanding of the universe.” – Messenger
 
The occurrence of interstellar events, such as the passage of comets or other objects through our solar system, is estimated to be a rare phenomenon, with scientists suggesting that such events happen approximately once every 10,000 years. However, the recent detection of three interstellar objects since 2017, with the third one expected to pass through our solar system as early as next month, raises intriguing questions about the frequency and nature of these events. This unexpected clustering of interstellar objects in a relatively short period of time challenges our current understanding of the frequency and distribution of these events.” – Messenger
 
“If interstellar events are indeed as rare as estimated, the occurrence of three such events in a span of just a few years would be a remarkable coincidence, warranting further investigation and analysis. Furthermore, the possibility that these objects could be of extraterrestrial origin, potentially constituting alien technology, cannot be ruled out and deserves serious consideration. The detection of interstellar comets is a complex task, requiring advanced astronomical surveys and detection technologies. Scientists utilize a range of telescopes and observational platforms to identify and track these objects, often relying on sophisticated algorithms and data analysis techniques to distinguish them from other celestial bodies. The study of interstellar objects requires a multidisciplinary approach, combining expertise from astronomy, astrophysics, and planetary science. By leveraging data from a range of sources, scientists can develop a more comprehensive understanding of these objects and their potential origins.” – Messenger
 
“The unusual characteristics and behavior of these objects, such as their high speeds and peculiar trajectories, have sparked interest in the possibility that they could be of extraterrestrial origin. For instance, the object ‘Oumuamua exhibited a non-gravitational acceleration, which some scientists have attributed to outgassing, while others have speculated about the possibility of an artificial origin. The Voyager 1 spacecraft has played a significant role in the study of interstellar phenomena, including the detection of unusual signals that may be indicative of extraterrestrial life or technology.” – Messenger
 
“In 2017, Voyager 1 detected a mathematical hum that seemed to resemble language, sparking intense interest and debate within the scientific community. While the origins and significance of this signal are still unclear, it highlights the potential for interstellar objects and phenomena to provide insights into the nature of the universe and the potential for life beyond Earth. The detection of such signals is a complex task, requiring advanced technologies and sophisticated data analysis techniques. Scientists continue to study the data returned by Voyager 1, seeking to understand the origins and implications of this signal. Some researchers have suggested that this signal could be evidence of an extraterrestrial technology, potentially used for communication or navigation.” – Messenger
 
“The anomalous attributes of ‘Oumuamua (“First Scout”), precipitated a profound scientific controversy, as astronomers endeavored to reconcile the object’s enigmatic characteristics with existing paradigms of celestial mechanics. ‘Oumuamua’s trajectory, specifically its hyperbolic orbit, indicated that it originated from interstellar space and was merely passing through our solar system, a trajectory that is highly atypical for a natural solar system object. This peculiarity is precisely what would be expected for an interstellar interloper, thereby underscoring the object’s extraterrestrial provenance. Furthermore, the object’s velocity was not inherently anomalous, but rather, it was the unexplained acceleration that it experienced as it receded from the sun that proved to be the most enigmatic aspect of its behavior. The acceleration of ‘Oumuamua, which exceeded the gravitational expectations, posed a significant challenge to scientists, as they struggled to identify the underlying cause of this phenomenon.” – Messenger
 
“The acceleration of ‘Oumuamua, which was subtle yet unmistakable, suggested that some unknown force or mechanism was influencing the object’s motion. The absence of a visible coma or tail, which are the hallmarks of a comet, further complicated the picture, as comets typically exhibit such features due to the outgassing of icy material from their surfaces when heated by the sun. The lack of observable outgassing or cometary activity led scientists to propose alternative explanations for the acceleration, including the possibility of an exotic composition, such as solid nitrogen ice, or even, more provocatively, an artificial origin. The hypothesis that ‘Oumuamua’s acceleration could be attributed to outgassing, albeit of an invisible or volatile substance, was also considered, although this would require a fundamental reevaluation of our current understanding of cometary behavior.” – Messenger
 
“Moreover, the object’s unusual shape and rotation period added to the enigma, as scientists struggled to reconcile these characteristics with the object’s observed motion. The unusual combination of ‘Oumuamua’s characteristics, including its unexplained acceleration and lack of cometary activity, prompted some scientists to question whether the object was a natural entity. The hypothesis that ‘Oumuamua might be of extraterrestrial origin, championed by Harvard physicist Avi Loeb, generated significant attention and debate within the scientific community. Although this hypothesis remains highly speculative and lacks concrete evidence, it underscores the profound implications of ‘Oumuamua’s anomalous behavior. The majority of scientists, however, favor more prosaic explanations, such as the outgassing of an invisible, volatile substance, which would imply that ‘Oumuamua is a natural object that is not yet fully understood. The scientific community’s fascination with ‘Oumuamua is a testament to the object’s enigmatic nature, and the ongoing debate surrounding its origins and composition serves as a reminder of the complexities and uncertainties inherent in the study of celestial objects.” – Messenger
 
“The scientific investigation of ‘Oumuamua highlights the complexities and uncertainties inherent in the study of celestial objects. The object’s unusual characteristics, including its hyperbolic orbit, unexplained acceleration, and lack of cometary activity, have forced scientists to reexamine their assumptions about the nature of interstellar objects and the mechanisms that govern their behavior. As researchers continue to study ‘Oumuamua and other similar objects, they may uncover new insights into the origins and composition of these enigmatic entities, which could, in turn, shed light on the mysteries of the universe. The study of ‘Oumuamua also underscores the importance of interdisciplinary research and collaboration in the pursuit of scientific knowledge, as scientists from diverse fields, including astronomy, physics, and astrobiology, contribute to our understanding of this enigmatic object.” – Messenger
 
“The study of ‘Oumuamua serves as a reminder of the vast mysteries that remain to be unraveled in the universe, and the importance of continued scientific inquiry and exploration in advancing our understanding of the cosmos. As scientists continue to probe the mysteries of ‘Oumuamua, they may uncover new insights into the nature of interstellar objects, the mechanisms that govern their behavior, and the potential implications for our understanding of the universe. The investigation of ‘Oumuamua also highlights the importance of maintaining a rigorous and open-minded approach to scientific inquiry, as scientists navigate the complexities and uncertainties inherent in the study of celestial objects. By embracing the unknown and the unexplained, scientists can continue to push the boundaries of human knowledge, and uncover new and exciting insights into the mysteries of the universe.” – Messenger
My response, Because space is a vacuum and sound cannot travel through it; however, scientists can convert the radio waves they emit into audible sound. This process, called sonification, allows us to hear the unique, rhythmic pulses of these rotating neutron stars, which can be eerily rhythmic or even symphonic when combined. The “alien noise” was a regular, pulsing radio signal discovered by astronomer Jocelyn Bell Burnell in 1967. The signal came from a previously unknown type of star that was humorously nicknamed “Little Green Men 1” before being identified as a pulsar.
 
“Fifty years ago or so, a small group of astronomers made a revolutionary cosmic discovery — explaining a phenomenon that they initially thought might come from an intelligent alien civilization. In November 1967, Jocelyn Bell (now Dame Jocelyn Bell Burnell), a graduate student at Cambridge University in England, made what turned out to be the first detection of a pulsar — an incredibly dense ball of material formed when a massive star runs out of fuel and collapses in on itself. In the time since the discovery of pulsars, the objects have provided insight about the life cycle of stars and extreme states of matter, and provided evidence that supports Albert Einstein’s theory of gravity. There are currently efforts underway to use pulsars to detect gravitational waves, or ripples in the fabric of the universe, and another to use pulsars as part of a space-based navigation system. Pulsars spin rapidly, while simultaneously radiating opposing beams of radio waves out into space. The setup is similar to a lighthouse that spins around one up-and-down axis and radiates two beams of light from a second axis. To ships on the water, the steady beams looks like a light pulsing on and off. The same is true for pulsars; if one of the beams happens to sweep across the Earth, it appears to astronomers as though the object is blinking or pulsing.” ref
“Yes, I realize that is one possibility that scientists have given. But to bet on one possibility with it being uncertain is not having a scientific mind at all. “ – Messenger
 
My response, To give agency to an unknown is to leave soundness in speculation.
 
“That’s contradictory to what you were saying earlier, if somebody gives a possibility that resonates with you, you exclude all other possibilities, when the evidence has not been concluded. The evidence suggests that nickel is found without iron and that has never been seen before, and you’re quick to take whatever justification or rationalization that makes sense to you before waiting for the concluding evidence.” – Messenger
 
My response, One should not be confused with an odd unknown, to be believed as evidence used to explain a hypothetical unknown. We don’t add Mind (alien intelligence and active agency) implications unless we have sound reasons to. There is no sound or clear evidence of occurrence in the evidence we have.
“I’m just excited about the possibilities, and I don’t mind being wrong, I don’t value being smarter than everybody else or correct all the time. The smartest scientist in the world can’t figure out why they detected nickel without iron, they should have asked you. There’s a thousand theories out there. I’m exploring them all, and you are clinging to one and saying that it has to be the truth because it makes sense to you.” – Messenger
 
My response, What it means when you say the best science can’t figure it out is that they lack sound evidence to do so, and thus they null hypothesis stands, and the alternative hypothesis fails. The null hypothesis for testing the existence of extraterrestrial life is that there is no extraterrestrial life. All statistical and scientific methods begin by assuming the simplest explanation is true until evidence proves otherwise.
 
“If you’re using past evidence and not the evidence that we are collecting now, the object isn’t even supposed to pass by Mars until next month. And with all of the information that we have from the past four interstellar events that occurred in the past 10 years, then it all comes to a complete uncertainty.” – Messenger
 
My response, Are you saying all current scientists are not using the latest available evidence? A solid consensus among the scientific community holds that extraterrestrial life likely exists, particularly in its basic, microbial forms. However, what scientists do reject is the idea that we currently have concrete, verifiable evidence of any alien life, especially intelligent, technologically advanced beings that have visited Earth.
 
“Again, scientists are saying this happens once every 10,000 years and you can explain that they can’t explain four events in 10 years and they can’t explain nickel without iron and when you throw everything together with all of the interstellar objects, including how one of them left after it circled the Sun faster than when it came in and while they do have scientific theories of outgassing it didn’t have a coma or a tail so the gas would have had to be invisible gas, which is also crazy.” – Messenger
 
“I think you spent so much time teaching. You forgot to learn. Or how to learn!” – Messenger
 
My response, No evidence of any kind has provided proof of extraterrestrial life.
 
AI Overview: The statement “No evidence of any kind has provided proof of extraterrestrial life” is accurate from a scientific perspective, but it is not because life is necessarily absent elsewhere in the cosmos. Rather, the lack of definitive proof reflects the incredible challenges of the search itself, and a multitude of hypotheses have been proposed to explain the apparent silence.
“We are both atheists, but you are clinging on to outdated information, like it’s your Bible.” – Messenger
 
My response, I have never stopped learning. You are turning the argument to the person, not the evidence.
 
“Logical deduction in Occam’s razor, you are not a scientist and do not have a scientific mind, and you can say that’s on the person because I’m talking to you specifically. Hopefully, we can get pictures for people like you. It’s funny that you talk about evidence and then totally ignore the evidence that the scientists are giving us, like nickel without iron. But keep telling yourself that you’re right because that’s what you do; again, you’re smarter than everybody else. And that’s just the way you’re always going to be.” – Messenger
 
My response, Keep trying to make arguments against me, rather than the evidence, after I have been open to talk with you, will mean I stop choosing to speak with you. I don’t talk with everyone privately. I liked you and have been open to talking with you. AI Overview: “Occam’s razor: a principle that suggests the simplest explanation, or the one requiring the fewest assumptions, is most likely to be correct. When applied to the interstellar object 3I/ATLAS (some claim is alien technology), Occam’s razor stands in direct opposition to speculative claims that the object is alien technology, and supports the more scientifically grounded explanation that it is a natural comet.”
 
“You are closing theories without evidence, and you were closing them on something you have not extensively studied yourself, I’m sure you haven’t even fully read the writings that I wrote, much less looked into what’s actually going on or the real scientific evidence, but you already have excuses and rationalizations for what you think is right.” – Messenger
 
I blocked that person.

Is the 3I/ATLAS Comet Actually Alien Technology? No. 

“Avi Loeb, a somewhat notorious Harvard science professor, was quick to jump on the story of 3I/ATLAS. Only days after it was first sighted, he was questioning whether it was a comet or “something else.” Two weeks after finding out about it, he released a preprint (meaning it has not been formally published or peer reviewed) paper. Raising the possibility that the comet was alien in origin, he outlined several key points. These points included the fact that the orbital plane of 3I/ATLAS was very close to Earth’s, within five degrees, which he felt was an astounding coincidence. Second, the object seemed to be extremely large, over 20 kilometers in diameter, which is vanishingly rare for a comet. There was also the fact that it was going to pass near Venus, Jupiter, and Mars, which he again cited as an unlikely coincidence. Finally, he claimed that there wasn’t good evidence for the cometary gas trail we expect from a comet.” ref

“Relying on the “Dark Forest” solution to the famous Fermi Paradox, Loeb has gone on to suggest that the intelligence behind 3I/ATLAS may be malicious and planning on targeting Earth. Its path worked out so that it would pass behind the sun, hiding it from Earth, and at the exact point where it could use the Sun’s gravity to swing back around toward Earth, presumably to destroy us all. For months, he’s been publishing blog posts on Medium almost daily, outlining his theories as more information comes out about 3I/ATLAS. But other astronomers, and now NASA, have come out with information debunking his theories. Even Loeb himself is unwilling to commit to his theory. In the recent paper, Loeb et al claim to “not necessarily ascribe,” to the theory, but feel it is “an interesting exercise in its own right, and is fun to pursue.” He also pursued this exercise in 2017, when he claimed that ‘Oumuamuathe first confirmed interstellar object to enter our solar system, was possibly of artificial origin. He tasked radio astronomers with watching for alien signals coming from the object. They did, and there weren’t.” ref

“Three years before that, Loeb thought a meteor entering the atmosphere could be the wreckage of an alien spaceship, citing seismic data he gathered from the crash site. Last year, planetary seismologist Benjamin Fernando led a team that found the cause of the odd readings. It was a truck driving by the sensor. In a follow-up interview with The New York Times, Fernando said the two takeaways were “One, if you want to do seismic analysis, it’s ideal if you check with a seismologist first. The other is, it’s not aliens.” Point one goes a long way in explaining why Loeb’s “interesting exercises” have received so much skepticism (and outright derision) from his fellow astronomers. Loeb isn’t actually an expert in any of the science he’s doing. Astronomy is a big field, and a man who is (like Loeb) a scholar of galaxy dynamics may not be qualified to speak on, say, comets. Once respected within his field, Loeb’s papers now mostly remain in preprint, with colleagues like Professor of Astrophysics Steve Desch saying that Loeb is “conflating the good science we do with this ridiculous sensationalism and sucking all the oxygen out of the room.” ref

“If it looks like a comet and quacks like a comet. The more we find out about the comet, the more absurd and hasty Loeb’s claims become. For one thing, it isn’t nearly as large as Loeb claimed. Observations from the Hubble telescope now show that 31/ATLAS is somewhere around, or smaller than, 2.8 kilometers. A far cry from Loeb’s 46 kilometers. In fact, Loeb himself cited the paper which showed it’s 2.8 kilometers, and simply… chose to ignore that. As on the previous occasions, other astronomers were unimpressed with the science behind Loeb’s bold theory. Steve Desch called the paper “sloppy work beneath the level of an undergraduate” and graded it accordingly. The comet does have interesting properties. It comes from outside our solar system and may have a different chemical composition than we’re used to seeing. But as Tom Statler, NASA’s lead scientist for solar system small bodies, told The Guardian, “It looks like a comet…It does comet things. It very, very strongly resembles, in just about every way, the comets that we know. It’s a comet.” ref

“To Loeb’s argument that 3I/ATLAS brightens strangely, Statler agreed — because it’s normal for comets to do that. Even ones from within our solar system can react unpredictably as they grow closer to the radiation of the sun. Comets are mostly ice, and the heat of the sun melts chunks of ice, causing changes in size, brightness, and composition. It isn’t merely boring alien haters bashing on the visionary who dares to dream the impossible dream. Many of the scientists criticizing Loeb’s work are from institutes like SETI, which is dedicated to the search for extraterrestrial life. They feel that Loeb’s attention-grabbing, unsupported claims discredit the whole field, making it harder to do actual science.” ref

Interstellar interloper 2I/Borisov may be the most pristine comet ever observed (2021)

2I/Borisov?

2I/Borisov, originally designated C/2019 Q4 (Borisov), is the first observed rogue comet and the second observed interstellar interloper, after ʻOumuamua. Unlike ʻOumuamua, which had an asteroidal appearance, 2I/Borisov’s nucleus was surrounded by a coma, a cloud of dust and gas. It was discovered by the Crimean amateur astronomer and telescope maker Gennadiy Borisov on 29 August 2019 UTC (30 August local time) in MARGO Observatory. 2I/Borisov has a heliocentric orbital eccentricity of 3.36 and is not bound to the Sun. The comet passed through the ecliptic of the Solar System at the end of October 2019, and made its closest approach to the Sun at just over AU on 8 December 2019. The comet passed closest to Earth on 28 December 2019. In November 2019, astronomers from Yale University said that the comet’s tail was 14 times the size of Earth, and stated, “It’s humbling to realize how small Earth is next to this visitor from another solar system.” ref

“2I/Borisov’s composition appears uncommon yet not unseen in Solar System comets, being relatively depleted in water and diatomic carbon (C2), but enriched in carbon monoxide and amines (R-NH2). The molar ratio of carbon monoxide to water in 2I/Borisov tail is 35–105%, resembling the unusual blue-tailed comet C/2016 R2 (PANSTARRS) in contrast to the average ratio of 4% for Solar System comets. The 2I/Borisov has also produced a minor amount of neutral nickel emission attributed to an unknown volatile compound of nickel. The nickel to iron abundance ratio is similar to Solar System comets. The last observations were in July 2020, seven months after perihelion. Observation of 2I/Borisov was aided by the fact that the comet was detected while inbound towards the Solar System. ʻOumuamua had been discovered as it was leaving the system, and thus could only be observed for 80 days before it was out of range. Because of its closest approach occurring near traditional year-end holidays, and the capability to have extended observations, some astronomers have called 2I/Borisov a “Christmas comet.” ref

“A preliminary (low-resolution) visible spectrum of 2I/Borisov indicated that it was similar to typical Oort Cloud comets. Its color indexes resembled the Solar System’s long period comets. Emissions at 388 nm indicated the presence of cyanide (formula CN), which is typically the first molecule detected in Solar System comets. This was the first detection of gas emissions from an interstellar object. The non-detection of diatomic carbon C2 was reported in October 2019, with the ratio C2 to CN being less than 0.3. Diatomic carbon was positively detected in November 2019, with a measured C2 to CN ratio of 0.2±0.1. This resembled carbon-chain depleted comets or rare blue-colored carbon monoxide comets like C/2016 R2. By the end of November 2019, C2 production had dramatically increased, and the C2 to CN ratio reached 0.61, coinciding with the appearance of bright amine (NH2bands. Estimates for the outgassing of water, based on the detection of atomic oxygen, indicated a rate similar to Solar System comets. In September 2019, neither water nor hydroxyl (OH) lines were directly detected. The first unambiguous detection of OH lines was made on 1 November 2019, and OH production peaked in early December 2019.” ref

AI Overview: While the interstellar comet 2I/Borisov originates from another star system, making it “alien” in that sense, it’s not an alien entity or technology, but rather a natural celestial body. Scientists have confirmed its interstellar origins through its fast, unbound orbit, and studies of its chemical composition show it is remarkably similar to comets found within our own solar system, despite its unique carbon monoxide content.  

Comet 3I/ATLAS is the third known object from outside our solar system to be discovered passing through our celestial neighborhood (2025)

3I/ATLAS?

3I/ATLAS, also known as C/2025 N1 (ATLAS) and previously as A11pl3Z, is an interstellar comet discovered by the Asteroid Terrestrial-impact Last Alert System (ATLAS) station at Río Hurtado, Chile on 1 July 2025. When it was discovered, it was entering the inner Solar System at a distance of 4.5 AU (670 million km; 420 million mi) from the Sun. The comet follows an unbound, hyperbolic trajectory past the Sun with a very fast hyperbolic excess velocity of 58 km/s (36 mi/s) relative to the Sun. 3I/ATLAS will not come closer than 1.8 AU (270 million km; 170 million mi) from Earth, so it poses no threat. It is the third interstellar object confirmed passing through the Solar System, after 1I/ʻOumuamua (discovered in October 2017) and 2I/Borisov (discovered in August 2019), hence the prefix “3I.” ref

“3I/ATLAS is an active comet consisting of a solid icy nucleus and a coma, which is a cloud of gas and icy dust escaping from the nucleus. The size of 3I/ATLAS’s nucleus is uncertain because its light cannot be separated from that of the coma. The Sun is responsible for the comet’s activity because it heats up the comet’s nucleus to sublimate its ice into gas, which outgasses and lifts up dust from the comet’s surface to form its coma. Images by the Hubble Space Telescope suggest that the diameter of 3I/ATLAS’s nucleus is between 0.32 and 5.6 km (0.2 and 3.5 mi), with the most likely diameter being less than 1 km (0.62 mi). Observations by the James Webb Space Telescope have shown that 3I/ATLAS is unusually rich in carbon dioxide and contains a small amount of water ice, water vapor, carbon monoxide, and carbonyl sulfide. Observations by the Very Large Telescope have also shown that 3I/ATLAS is emitting cyanide gas and atomic nickel vapor at concentrations similar to those seen in Solar System comets.” ref

“3I/ATLAS will come closest to the Sun on 29 October 2025, at a distance of 1.36 AU (203 million km; 126 million mi) from the Sun, which is between the orbits of Earth and Mars. The comet appears to have originated from either the Milky Way‘s thin disk or thick disk; if 3I/ATLAS originated from the thick disk, the comet could be at least 7 billion years old—older than the Solar System. Observations from other observatories, involving both professional and amateur astronomers, began to reveal that the object’s trajectory would not come near Earth, but instead could be interstellar with a hyperbolic trajectory. Pre-discovery observations of 3I/ATLAS confirmed its interstellar trajectory; these included Zwicky Transient Facility (ZTF, observatory code I41) observations from 28 to 29 June 2025 that were found within a few hours of the initial report, ZTF observations from 14 to 21 June 2025, and ATLAS observations from 25 to 29 June 2025. Amateur astronomer Sam Deen has noted additional ATLAS pre-discovery observations from 5 to 25 June 2025, and suspected that 3I/ATLAS was not discovered earlier because it was passing in front of the Galactic Center‘s dense star fields, where the comet would be hard to discern.” ref

“Initial observations of 3I/ATLAS were unclear on whether it is an asteroid or a comet. Various astronomers including Alan Hale reported no cometary features, but observations on 2 July 2025 by the Deep Random Survey (X09) at Chile, Lowell Discovery Telescope (G37) at Arizona, and Canada–France–Hawaii Telescope (T14) at Mauna Kea all showed a marginal coma with a potential tail-like elongation 3 arcseconds in angular length, which indicated the object is a comet. On 2 July 2025, the MPC announced the discovery of 3I/ATLAS and gave it the interstellar object designation “3I”, signifying it being the third interstellar object confirmed. The MPC also gave 3I/ATLAS the non-periodic comet designation C/2025 N1 (ATLAS). By the time 3I/ATLAS was officially named, the MPC had collected 122 observations of the comet from 31 different observatories.” ref

Observations by David Jewitt and Jane Luu using the Nordic Optical Telescope on 2 July 2025 confirmed that 3I/ATLAS was “clearly active” with a diffuse appearance. Miguel R. Alarcón and a team of researchers of the IAC (Instituto de Astrofísica de Canarias) using Teide Observatory‘s Two-meter Twin Telescope also found cometary activity on the same date. Multiple different telescopes showed that the comet’s coma had a reddish color indicative of dust, similar to that of the previous interstellar comet 2I/Borisov. A study published by Toni Santana-Ros and colleagues in August 2025 reported that 3I/ATLAS’s coma had become redder throughout July 2025, indicating an evolving surface or coma composition as a result of 3I/ATLAS’s increasing cometary activity. NASA’s Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite (TESS) had also observed 3I/ATLAS before it was discovered, with observations from 7 May to 3 June 2025. These observations showed that the comet was already bright and active even when it was roughly 6.4 AU away from the Sun in May 2025, which indicates the comet’s activity is likely caused by the sublimation of volatile ices other than water.

“Water ice in 3I/ATLAS’s coma was first reported on 20 July 2025, based on near-infrared spectroscopic observations by the Gemini South and NASA Infrared Telescope Facility on 5 and 14 July 2025. Ultraviolet observations by the Swift Observatory suggested the presence of water vapor and hydroxide ions in 3I/ATLAS’s coma on 30 July 2025 and 1 August 2025. On 21 August 2025, astronomers of NASA’s SPHEREx mission and the California Institute of Technology reported the detection of water ice and bright carbon dioxide gas emission in SPHEREx observations from mid-August 2025. On 22 August 2025, astronomers at Lowell Observatory reported the first tentative detection of cyanide emission in 3I/ATLAS. Spectroscopic observations by the Very Large Telescope on 21 August 2025 confirmed the presence of cyanide and also detected nickel in 3I/ATLAS’s coma.” ref

The Hubble Space Telescope took its first images of 3I/ATLAS on 21 July 2025, which revealed its coma in high detail and constrained its nucleus diameter to below 5.6 km (3.5 mi). The Hubble images were publicized by NASA and the European Space Agency on 7 August 2025. On 6 August 2025, the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) made its first observations of 3I/ATLAS using its NIRSpec instrument, and results were announced by NASA on 25 August 2025. In November 2025, Hubble will perform ultraviolet spectroscopy on 3I/ATLAS to determine the composition of its gas emissions and sulfur-to-oxygen ratio. 3I/ATLAS is moving far faster than the previous two interstellar objects 1I/ʻOumuamua (v=26 km/s) and 2I/Borisov (v=32 km/s). 3I/ATLAS is a faint comet that does not get very close to Earth or the Sun and is not expected to get brighter than about apparent magnitude 11.5–13.6 as seen from Earth. Even at its peak brightness, the comet will not be visible to an observer on Earth using the naked eye or to an observer with a pair of 50 mm binoculars.” ref

“3I/ATLAS is recognized as an interstellar object because of its extremely hyperbolic path and very high speed relative to the Solar System. 3I/ATLAS did not pass close enough to any of the Solar System’s planets to have gained its speed, so it could not have originated from the Solar System. Tracing the path of 3I/ATLAS in the sky shows that the comet originated from interstellar space in the direction of the constellation Sagittarius, near the Milky Way‘s Galactic Center. The origin of 3I/ATLAS can be deduced by breaking down its hyperbolic excess velocity into radial (U), transverse (V), and vertical (W) velocity components in the galactic coordinate system. When 3I/ATLAS arrived to the Solar System, it was moving away from the Galactic Center with a velocity of U=−51.0 km/s with respect to the Sun and was moving upward through the galactic plane with a velocity of W=+18.5 km/s with respect to the Sun.” ref 

“The vertical W velocity of 3I/ATLAS is quite high compared to those of nearby stars and other interstellar objects, which means that the comet follows a tilted orbit around the Milky Way and thus belongs to either the thin disk or thick disk populations. The thick disk mainly consists of older stars whose compositions have lower levels of heavy elements than the Sun. A July 2025 study led by Matthew Hopkins and collaborators estimated with 68% confidence that 3I/ATLAS is between 7.6 and 14 billion years old, based on the typical ages of stars in the thick disk. This means that 3I/ATLAS could be older than the Solar System (which is 4.6 billion years old) and may well be the oldest comet yet seen. An independent analysis by Aster Taylor and Darryl Seligman in July 2025 estimated that 3I/ATLAS should be 3 to 11 billion years old, in broad agreement with Hopkins et al.’s estimate.” ref

“Despite some suggestions that 3I/Atlas could be an alien spacecraft, observations from some of the most powerful telescopes quickly revealed it to be a comet rocketing our way. It might not be aliens making first contact, yet 3I/Atlas, as only the third documented interstellar object to pass through the solar system, still has plenty to teach us, says Jacqueline McCleary, an assistant professor of physics at Northeastern University.” ref

AI Overview: (Null hypothesis of Extraterrestrial life)

The null hypothesis regarding extraterrestrial life is that no life exists outside of Earth. Like any null hypothesis, this is the default assumption in the scientific community that is held until a new observation can prove it wrong.  The alternative hypothesis, or the hypothesis a researcher attempts to prove, is that life does exist elsewhere in the universe. This search is the driving force behind astrobiology and the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI). The scientific process applied to extraterrestrial life. In the scientific method, rejecting a null hypothesis is a powerful conclusion that requires overwhelming evidence. In the case of searching for extraterrestrial life, this framework governs scientific efforts:

  • Default assumption: The universe is lifeless except for Earth. Any signal or finding that seems to suggest otherwise is due to random chance or a non-biological phenomenon.
  • The alternative hypothesis: Life exists elsewhere in the universe. This could range from simple microbial life to complex intelligent civilizations.
  • The search for evidence: Scientists actively work to find evidence that could reject the null hypothesis. Examples include:
    • Analyzing the atmospheres of exoplanets for biosignatures like oxygen or methane.
    • Sending probes to destinations within our solar system, such as Mars and the moons of Jupiter and Saturn, to search for microbial life.
    • Using radio telescopes to search for technosignatures from intelligent civilizations through the SETI program.

  • The interpretation of results: The scientific community only rejects the null hypothesis in favor of the alternative if the evidence is robust enough to overcome the default assumption. Until conclusive evidence is found, the null hypothesis remains the most scientifically accepted position. If a search turns up nothing, it can still provide valuable insights into the rarity or commonality of life’s emergence. 

“The null hypothesis is the claim in scientific research that the effect being studied does not exist. The null hypothesis can also be described as the hypothesis in which no relationship exists between two sets of data or variables being analyzed. If the null hypothesis is true, any experimentally observed effect is due to chance alone, hence the term “null”. In contrast with the null hypothesis, an alternative hypothesis is developed, which claims that a relationship does exist between two variables. The null hypothesis and the alternative hypothesis are types of conjectures used in statistical tests to make statistical inferences, which are formal methods of reaching conclusions and separating scientific claims from statistical noise. A statistical significance test starts with a random sample from a population.” ref

“If the sample data are consistent with the null hypothesis, then you do not reject the null hypothesis; if the sample data are inconsistent with the null hypothesis, then you reject the null hypothesis and conclude that the alternative hypothesis is true. The null hypothesis is a default hypothesis that a quantity to be measured is zero (null). Typically, the quantity to be measured is the difference between two situations. For instance, trying to determine if there is a positive proof that an effect has occurred or that samples derive from different batches. The null hypothesis is generally assumed to remain possibly true. Multiple analyses can be performed to show how the hypothesis should either be rejected or excluded e.g. having a high confidence level, thus demonstrating a statistically significant difference. This is demonstrated by showing that zero is outside of the specified confidence interval of the measurement on either side, typically within the real numbers. Failure to exclude the null hypothesis (with any confidence) does not logically confirm or support the (unprovable) null hypothesis.ref

“If the data do not contradict the null hypothesis, then only a weak conclusion can be made: namely, that the observed data set provides insufficient evidence against the null hypothesis. In this case, because the null hypothesis could be true or false, in some contexts this is interpreted as meaning that the data give insufficient evidence to make any conclusion, while in other contexts, it is interpreted as meaning that there is not sufficient evidence to support changing from a currently useful regime to a different one. Nevertheless, if at this point the effect appears likely and/or large enough, there may be an incentive to further investigate, such as running a bigger sample. The choice of the null hypothesis is associated with sparse and inconsistent advice. Fisher mentioned few constraints on the choice and stated that many null hypotheses should be considered and that many tests are possible for each. The variety of applications and the diversity of goals suggests that the choice can be complicated. In many applications the formulation of the test is traditional. A familiarity with the range of tests available may suggest a particular null hypothesis and test.” ref

But is Atlantis real?

No. Atlantis (an allegory: “fake story” interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning) can’t be found any more than one can locate the Jolly Green Giant that is said to watch over frozen vegetables. Lol

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May Reason Set You Free

There are a lot of truly great things said by anarchists in history, and also some deeply vile things, too, from not supporting Women’s rights to Anti-Semitism. There are those who also reject those supporting women’s rights as well as fight anti-Semitism. This is why I push reason as my only master, not anarchist thinking, though anarchism, to me, should see all humans everywhere as equal in dignity and rights.

We—Cory and Damien—are following the greatness that can be found in anarchist thinking.

As an Anarchist Educator, Damien strives to teach the plain truth. Damien does not support violence as my method to change. Rather, I choose education that builds Enlightenment and Empowerment. I champion Dignity and Equality. We rise by helping each other. What is the price of a tear? What is the cost of a smile? How can we see clearly when others pay the cost of our indifference and fear? We should help people in need. Why is that so hard for some people? Rich Ghouls must End. Damien wants “billionaires” to stop being a thing. Tax then into equality. To Damien, there is no debate, Capitalism is unethical. Moreover, as an Anarchist Educator, Damien knows violence is not the way to inspire lasting positive change. But we are not limited to violence, we have education, one of the most lasting and powerful ways to improve the world. We empower the world by championing Truth and its supporters.

Anarchism and Education

“Various alternatives to education and their problems have been proposed by anarchists which have gone from alternative education systems and environments, self-education, advocacy of youth and children rights, and freethought activism.” ref

“Historical accounts of anarchist educational experiments to explore how their pedagogical practices, organization, and content constituted a radical alternative to mainstream forms of educational provision in different historical periods.” ref

“The Ferrer school was an early 20th century libertarian school inspired by the anarchist pedagogy of Francisco Ferrer. He was a proponent of rationalist, secular education that emphasized reason, dignity, self-reliance, and scientific observation. The Ferrer movement’s philosophy had two distinct tendencies: non-didactic freedom from dogma and the more didactic fostering of counter-hegemonic beliefs. Towards non-didactic freedom from dogma, and fulfilled the child-centered tradition.” ref

Teach Real History: all our lives depend on it.

#SupportRealArchaeology

#RejectPseudoarchaeology

Damien sees lies about history as crimes against humanity. And we all must help humanity by addressing “any and all” who make harmful lies about history.

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My favorite “Graham Hancock” Quote?

“In what archaeologists have studied, yes, we can say there is NO Evidence of an advanced civilization.” – (Time 1:27) Joe Rogan Experience #2136 – Graham Hancock & Flint Dibble

Help the Valentine fight against pseudoarchaeology!!!
 
In a world of “Hancocks” supporting evidence lacking claims, be a “John Hoopes” supporting what evidence explains.
 
#SupportEvidenceNotWishfullThinking
 
Graham Hancock: @Graham__Hancock
John Hoopes: @KUHoopes

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People don’t commonly teach religious history, even that of their own claimed religion. No, rather they teach a limited “pro their religion” history of their religion from a religious perspective favorable to the religion of choice. 

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Do you truly think “Religious Belief” is only a matter of some personal choice?

Do you not see how coercive one’s world of choice is limited to the obvious hereditary belief, in most religious choices available to the child of religious parents or caregivers? Religion is more commonly like a family, culture, society, etc. available belief that limits the belief choices of the child and that is when “Religious Belief” is not only a matter of some personal choice and when it becomes hereditary faith, not because of the quality of its alleged facts or proposed truths but because everyone else important to the child believes similarly so they do as well simply mimicking authority beliefs handed to them. Because children are raised in religion rather than being presented all possible choices but rather one limited dogmatic brand of “Religious Belief” where children only have a choice of following the belief as instructed, and then personally claim the faith hereditary belief seen in the confirming to the belief they have held themselves all their lives. This is obvious in statements asked and answered by children claiming a faith they barely understand but they do understand that their family believes “this or that” faith, so they feel obligated to believe it too. While I do agree that “Religious Belief” should only be a matter of some personal choice, it rarely is… End Hereditary Religion!

Opposition to Imposed Hereditary Religion

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Animism: Respecting the Living World by Graham Harvey 

“How have human cultures engaged with and thought about animals, plants, rocks, clouds, and other elements in their natural surroundings? Do animals and other natural objects have a spirit or soul? What is their relationship to humans? In this new study, Graham Harvey explores current and past animistic beliefs and practices of Native Americans, Maori, Aboriginal Australians, and eco-pagans. He considers the varieties of animism found in these cultures as well as their shared desire to live respectfully within larger natural communities. Drawing on his extensive casework, Harvey also considers the linguistic, performative, ecological, and activist implications of these different animisms.” ref

Damien Marie AtHope’s Art

We are like believing machines we vacuum up ideas, like Velcro sticks to almost everything. We accumulate beliefs that we allow to negatively influence our lives, often without realizing it. Our willingness must be to alter skewed beliefs that impend our balance or reason, which allows us to achieve new positive thinking and accurate outcomes.

My thoughts on Religion Evolution with external links for more info:

“Religion is an Evolved Product” and Yes, Religion is Like Fear Given Wings…

Atheists talk about gods and religions for the same reason doctors talk about cancer, they are looking for a cure, or a firefighter talks about fires because they burn people and they care to stop them. We atheists too often feel a need to help the victims of mental slavery, held in the bondage that is the false beliefs of gods and the conspiracy theories of reality found in religions.

“Understanding Religion Evolution: Animism, Totemism, Shamanism, Paganism & Progressed organized religion”

Understanding Religion Evolution:

“An Archaeological/Anthropological Understanding of Religion Evolution”

It seems ancient peoples had to survived amazing threats in a “dangerous universe (by superstition perceived as good and evil),” and human “immorality or imperfection of the soul” which was thought to affect the still living, leading to ancestor worship. This ancestor worship presumably led to the belief in supernatural beings, and then some of these were turned into the belief in gods. This feeble myth called gods were just a human conceived “made from nothing into something over and over, changing, again and again, taking on more as they evolve, all the while they are thought to be special,” but it is just supernatural animistic spirit-belief perceived as sacred.

 

Quick Evolution of Religion?

Pre-Animism (at least 300,000 years ago) pre-religion is a beginning that evolves into later Animism. So, Religion as we think of it, to me, all starts in a general way with Animism (Africa: 100,000 years ago) (theoretical belief in supernatural powers/spirits), then this is physically expressed in or with Totemism (Europe: 50,000 years ago) (theoretical belief in mythical relationship with powers/spirits through a totem item), which then enlists a full-time specific person to do this worship and believed interacting Shamanism (Siberia/Russia: 30,000 years ago) (theoretical belief in access and influence with spirits through ritual), and then there is the further employment of myths and gods added to all the above giving you Paganism (Turkey: 12,000 years ago) (often a lot more nature-based than most current top world religions, thus hinting to their close link to more ancient religious thinking it stems from). My hypothesis is expressed with an explanation of the building of a theatrical house (modern religions development). Progressed organized religion (Egypt: 5,000 years ago)  with CURRENT “World” RELIGIONS (after 4,000 years ago).

Historically, in large city-state societies (such as Egypt or Iraq) starting around 5,000 years ago culminated to make religion something kind of new, a sociocultural-governmental-religious monarchy, where all or at least many of the people of such large city-state societies seem familiar with and committed to the existence of “religion” as the integrated life identity package of control dynamics with a fixed closed magical doctrine, but this juggernaut integrated religion identity package of Dogmatic-Propaganda certainly did not exist or if developed to an extent it was highly limited in most smaller prehistoric societies as they seem to lack most of the strong control dynamics with a fixed closed magical doctrine (magical beliefs could be at times be added or removed). Many people just want to see developed religious dynamics everywhere even if it is not. Instead, all that is found is largely fragments until the domestication of religion.

Religions, as we think of them today, are a new fad, even if they go back to around 6,000 years in the timeline of human existence, this amounts to almost nothing when seen in the long slow evolution of religion at least around 70,000 years ago with one of the oldest ritual worship. Stone Snake of South Africa: “first human worship” 70,000 years ago. This message of how religion and gods among them are clearly a man-made thing that was developed slowly as it was invented and then implemented peace by peace discrediting them all. Which seems to be a simple point some are just not grasping how devastating to any claims of truth when we can see the lie clearly in the archeological sites.

I wish people fought as hard for the actual values as they fight for the group/clan names political or otherwise they think support values. Every amount spent on war is theft to children in need of food or the homeless kept from shelter.

Here are several of my blog posts on history:

I am not an academic. I am a revolutionary that teaches in public, in places like social media, and in the streets. I am not a leader by some title given but from my commanding leadership style of simply to start teaching everywhere to everyone, all manner of positive education. 

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To me, Animism starts in Southern Africa, then to West Europe, and becomes Totemism. Another split goes near the Russia and Siberia border becoming Shamanism, which heads into Central Europe meeting up with Totemism, which also had moved there, mixing the two which then heads to Lake Baikal in Siberia. From there this Shamanism-Totemism heads to Turkey where it becomes Paganism.

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Not all “Religions” or “Religious Persuasions” have a god(s) but

All can be said to believe in some imaginary beings or imaginary things like spirits, afterlives, etc.

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Low Gods “Earth” or Tutelary deity and High Gods “Sky” or Supreme deity

“An Earth goddess is a deification of the Earth. Earth goddesses are often associated with the “chthonic” deities of the underworldKi and Ninhursag are Mesopotamian earth goddesses. In Greek mythology, the Earth is personified as Gaia, corresponding to Roman Terra, Indic Prithvi/Bhūmi, etc. traced to an “Earth Mother” complementary to the “Sky Father” in Proto-Indo-European religionEgyptian mythology exceptionally has a sky goddess and an Earth god.” ref

“A mother goddess is a goddess who represents or is a personification of naturemotherhoodfertilitycreationdestruction or who embodies the bounty of the Earth. When equated with the Earth or the natural world, such goddesses are sometimes referred to as Mother Earth or as the Earth Mother. In some religious traditions or movements, Heavenly Mother (also referred to as Mother in Heaven or Sky Mother) is the wife or feminine counterpart of the Sky father or God the Father.” ref

Any masculine sky god is often also king of the gods, taking the position of patriarch within a pantheon. Such king gods are collectively categorized as “sky father” deities, with a polarity between sky and earth often being expressed by pairing a “sky father” god with an “earth mother” goddess (pairings of a sky mother with an earth father are less frequent). A main sky goddess is often the queen of the gods and may be an air/sky goddess in her own right, though she usually has other functions as well with “sky” not being her main. In antiquity, several sky goddesses in ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, and the Near East were called Queen of Heaven. Neopagans often apply it with impunity to sky goddesses from other regions who were never associated with the term historically. The sky often has important religious significance. Many religions, both polytheistic and monotheistic, have deities associated with the sky.” ref

“In comparative mythology, sky father is a term for a recurring concept in polytheistic religions of a sky god who is addressed as a “father”, often the father of a pantheon and is often either a reigning or former King of the Gods. The concept of “sky father” may also be taken to include Sun gods with similar characteristics, such as Ra. The concept is complementary to an “earth mother“. “Sky Father” is a direct translation of the Vedic Dyaus Pita, etymologically descended from the same Proto-Indo-European deity name as the Greek Zeûs Pater and Roman Jupiter and Germanic Týr, Tir or Tiwaz, all of which are reflexes of the same Proto-Indo-European deity’s name, *Dyēus Ph₂tḗr. While there are numerous parallels adduced from outside of Indo-European mythology, there are exceptions (e.g. In Egyptian mythology, Nut is the sky mother and Geb is the earth father).” ref

Tutelary deity

“A tutelary (also tutelar) is a deity or spirit who is a guardian, patron, or protector of a particular place, geographic feature, person, lineage, nation, culture, or occupation. The etymology of “tutelary” expresses the concept of safety and thus of guardianship. In late Greek and Roman religion, one type of tutelary deity, the genius, functions as the personal deity or daimon of an individual from birth to death. Another form of personal tutelary spirit is the familiar spirit of European folklore.” ref

“A tutelary (also tutelar) iKorean shamanismjangseung and sotdae were placed at the edge of villages to frighten off demons. They were also worshiped as deities. Seonangshin is the patron deity of the village in Korean tradition and was believed to embody the SeonangdangIn Philippine animism, Diwata or Lambana are deities or spirits that inhabit sacred places like mountains and mounds and serve as guardians. Such as: Maria Makiling is the deity who guards Mt. Makiling and Maria Cacao and Maria Sinukuan. In Shinto, the spirits, or kami, which give life to human bodies come from nature and return to it after death. Ancestors are therefore themselves tutelaries to be worshiped. And similarly, Native American beliefs such as Tonás, tutelary animal spirit among the Zapotec and Totems, familial or clan spirits among the Ojibwe, can be animals.” ref

“A tutelary (also tutelar) in Austronesian beliefs such as: Atua (gods and spirits of the Polynesian peoples such as the Māori or the Hawaiians), Hanitu (Bunun of Taiwan‘s term for spirit), Hyang (KawiSundaneseJavanese, and Balinese Supreme Being, in ancient Java and Bali mythology and this spiritual entity, can be either divine or ancestral), Kaitiaki (New Zealand Māori term used for the concept of guardianship, for the sky, the sea, and the land), Kawas (mythology) (divided into 6 groups: gods, ancestors, souls of the living, spirits of living things, spirits of lifeless objects, and ghosts), Tiki (Māori mythologyTiki is the first man created by either Tūmatauenga or Tāne and represents deified ancestors found in most Polynesian cultures). ” ref, ref, ref, ref, ref, ref, ref

Mesopotamian Tutelary Deities can be seen as ones related to City-States 

“Historical city-states included Sumerian cities such as Uruk and UrAncient Egyptian city-states, such as Thebes and Memphis; the Phoenician cities (such as Tyre and Sidon); the five Philistine city-states; the Berber city-states of the Garamantes; the city-states of ancient Greece (the poleis such as AthensSpartaThebes, and Corinth); the Roman Republic (which grew from a city-state into a vast empire); the Italian city-states from the Middle Ages to the early modern period, such as FlorenceSienaFerraraMilan (which as they grew in power began to dominate neighboring cities) and Genoa and Venice, which became powerful thalassocracies; the Mayan and other cultures of pre-Columbian Mesoamerica (including cities such as Chichen ItzaTikalCopán and Monte Albán); the central Asian cities along the Silk Road; the city-states of the Swahili coastRagusa; states of the medieval Russian lands such as Novgorod and Pskov; and many others.” ref

“The Uruk period (ca. 4000 to 3100 BCE; also known as Protoliterate period) of Mesopotamia, named after the Sumerian city of Uruk, this period saw the emergence of urban life in Mesopotamia and the Sumerian civilization. City-States like Uruk and others had a patron tutelary City Deity along with a Priest-King.” ref

Chinese folk religion, both past, and present, includes myriad tutelary deities. Exceptional individuals, highly cultivated sages, and prominent ancestors can be deified and honored after death. Lord Guan is the patron of military personnel and police, while Mazu is the patron of fishermen and sailors. Such as Tu Di Gong (Earth Deity) is the tutelary deity of a locality, and each individual locality has its own Earth Deity and Cheng Huang Gong (City God) is the guardian deity of an individual city, worshipped by local officials and locals since imperial times.” ref

“A tutelary (also tutelar) in Hinduism, personal tutelary deities are known as ishta-devata, while family tutelary deities are known as Kuladevata. Gramadevata are guardian deities of villages. Devas can also be seen as tutelary. Shiva is the patron of yogis and renunciants. City goddesses include: Mumbadevi (Mumbai), Sachchika (Osian); Kuladevis include: Ambika (Porwad), and Mahalakshmi. In NorthEast India Meitei mythology and religion (Sanamahism) of Manipur, there are various types of tutelary deities, among which Lam Lais are the most predominant ones. Tibetan Buddhism has Yidam as a tutelary deity. Dakini is the patron of those who seek knowledge.” ref

“A tutelary (also tutelar) The Greeks also thought deities guarded specific places: for instance, Athena was the patron goddess of the city of Athens. Socrates spoke of hearing the voice of his personal spirit or daimonion:

You have often heard me speak of an oracle or sign which comes to me … . This sign I have had ever since I was a child. The sign is a voice which comes to me and always forbids me to do something which I am going to do, but never commands me to do anything, and this is what stands in the way of my being a politician.” ref

“Tutelary deities who guard and preserve a place or a person are fundamental to ancient Roman religion. The tutelary deity of a man was his Genius, that of a woman her Juno. In the Imperial era, the Genius of the Emperor was a focus of Imperial cult. An emperor might also adopt a major deity as his personal patron or tutelary, as Augustus did Apollo. Precedents for claiming the personal protection of a deity were established in the Republican era, when for instance the Roman dictator Sulla advertised the goddess Victory as his tutelary by holding public games (ludi) in her honor.” ref

“Each town or city had one or more tutelary deities, whose protection was considered particularly vital in time of war and siege. Rome itself was protected by a goddess whose name was to be kept ritually secret on pain of death (for a supposed case, see Quintus Valerius Soranus). The Capitoline Triad of Juno, Jupiter, and Minerva were also tutelaries of Rome. The Italic towns had their own tutelary deities. Juno often had this function, as at the Latin town of Lanuvium and the Etruscan city of Veii, and was often housed in an especially grand temple on the arx (citadel) or other prominent or central location. The tutelary deity of Praeneste was Fortuna, whose oracle was renowned.” ref

“The Roman ritual of evocatio was premised on the belief that a town could be made vulnerable to military defeat if the power of its tutelary deity were diverted outside the city, perhaps by the offer of superior cult at Rome. The depiction of some goddesses such as the Magna Mater (Great Mother, or Cybele) as “tower-crowned” represents their capacity to preserve the city. A town in the provinces might adopt a deity from within the Roman religious sphere to serve as its guardian, or syncretize its own tutelary with such; for instance, a community within the civitas of the Remi in Gaul adopted Apollo as its tutelary, and at the capital of the Remi (present-day Rheims), the tutelary was Mars Camulus.” ref 

Household deity (a kind of or related to a Tutelary deity)

“A household deity is a deity or spirit that protects the home, looking after the entire household or certain key members. It has been a common belief in paganism as well as in folklore across many parts of the world. Household deities fit into two types; firstly, a specific deity – typically a goddess – often referred to as a hearth goddess or domestic goddess who is associated with the home and hearth, such as the ancient Greek Hestia.” ref

“The second type of household deities are those that are not one singular deity, but a type, or species of animistic deity, who usually have lesser powers than major deities. This type was common in the religions of antiquity, such as the Lares of ancient Roman religion, the Gashin of Korean shamanism, and Cofgodas of Anglo-Saxon paganism. These survived Christianisation as fairy-like creatures existing in folklore, such as the Anglo-Scottish Brownie and Slavic Domovoy.” ref

“Household deities were usually worshipped not in temples but in the home, where they would be represented by small idols (such as the teraphim of the Bible, often translated as “household gods” in Genesis 31:19 for example), amulets, paintings, or reliefs. They could also be found on domestic objects, such as cosmetic articles in the case of Tawaret. The more prosperous houses might have a small shrine to the household god(s); the lararium served this purpose in the case of the Romans. The gods would be treated as members of the family and invited to join in meals, or be given offerings of food and drink.” ref

“In many religions, both ancient and modern, a god would preside over the home. Certain species, or types, of household deities, existed. An example of this was the Roman Lares. Many European cultures retained house spirits into the modern period. Some examples of these include:

“Although the cosmic status of household deities was not as lofty as that of the Twelve Olympians or the Aesir, they were also jealous of their dignity and also had to be appeased with shrines and offerings, however humble. Because of their immediacy they had arguably more influence on the day-to-day affairs of men than the remote gods did. Vestiges of their worship persisted long after Christianity and other major religions extirpated nearly every trace of the major pagan pantheons. Elements of the practice can be seen even today, with Christian accretions, where statues to various saints (such as St. Francis) protect gardens and grottos. Even the gargoyles found on older churches, could be viewed as guardians partitioning a sacred space.” ref

“For centuries, Christianity fought a mop-up war against these lingering minor pagan deities, but they proved tenacious. For example, Martin Luther‘s Tischreden have numerous – quite serious – references to dealing with kobolds. Eventually, rationalism and the Industrial Revolution threatened to erase most of these minor deities, until the advent of romantic nationalism rehabilitated them and embellished them into objects of literary curiosity in the 19th century. Since the 20th century this literature has been mined for characters for role-playing games, video games, and other fantasy personae, not infrequently invested with invented traits and hierarchies somewhat different from their mythological and folkloric roots.” ref

“In contradistinction to both Herbert Spencer and Edward Burnett Tylor, who defended theories of animistic origins of ancestor worship, Émile Durkheim saw its origin in totemism. In reality, this distinction is somewhat academic, since totemism may be regarded as a particularized manifestation of animism, and something of a synthesis of the two positions was attempted by Sigmund Freud. In Freud’s Totem and Taboo, both totem and taboo are outward expressions or manifestations of the same psychological tendency, a concept which is complementary to, or which rather reconciles, the apparent conflict. Freud preferred to emphasize the psychoanalytic implications of the reification of metaphysical forces, but with particular emphasis on its familial nature. This emphasis underscores, rather than weakens, the ancestral component.” ref

William Edward Hearn, a noted classicist, and jurist, traced the origin of domestic deities from the earliest stages as an expression of animism, a belief system thought to have existed also in the neolithic, and the forerunner of Indo-European religion. In his analysis of the Indo-European household, in Chapter II “The House Spirit”, Section 1, he states:

The belief which guided the conduct of our forefathers was … the spirit rule of dead ancestors.” ref

“In Section 2 he proceeds to elaborate:

It is thus certain that the worship of deceased ancestors is a vera causa, and not a mere hypothesis. …

In the other European nations, the Slavs, the Teutons, and the Kelts, the House Spirit appears with no less distinctness. … [T]he existence of that worship does not admit of doubt. … The House Spirits had a multitude of other names which it is needless here to enumerate, but all of which are more or less expressive of their friendly relations with man. … In [England] … [h]e is the Brownie. … In Scotland this same Brownie is well known. He is usually described as attached to particular families, with whom he has been known to reside for centuries, threshing the corn, cleaning the house, and performing similar household tasks. His favorite gratification was milk and honey.” ref

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“These ideas are my speculations from the evidence.”

I am still researching the “god‘s origins” all over the world. So you know, it is very complicated but I am smart and willing to look, DEEP, if necessary, which going very deep does seem to be needed here, when trying to actually understand the evolution of gods and goddesses. I am sure of a few things and less sure of others, but even in stuff I am not fully grasping I still am slowly figuring it out, to explain it to others. But as I research more I am understanding things a little better, though I am still working on understanding it all or something close and thus always figuring out more. 

Sky Father/Sky God?

“Egyptian: (Nut) Sky Mother and (Geb) Earth Father” (Egypt is different but similar)

Turkic/Mongolic: (Tengri/Tenger Etseg) Sky Father and (Eje/Gazar Eej) Earth Mother *Transeurasian*

Hawaiian: (Wākea) Sky Father and (Papahānaumoku) Earth Mother *Austronesian*

New Zealand/ Māori: (Ranginui) Sky Father and (Papatūānuku) Earth Mother *Austronesian*

Proto-Indo-European: (Dyus/Dyus phtr) Sky Father and (Dʰéǵʰōm/Plethwih) Earth Mother

Indo-Aryan: (Dyaus Pita) Sky Father and (Prithvi Mata) Earth Mother *Indo-European*

Italic: (Jupiter) Sky Father and (Juno) Sky Mother *Indo-European*

Etruscan: (Tinia) Sky Father and (Uni) Sky Mother *Tyrsenian/Italy Pre–Indo-European*

Hellenic/Greek: (Zeus) Sky Father and (Hera) Sky Mother who started as an “Earth Goddess” *Indo-European*

Nordic: (Dagr) Sky Father and (Nótt) Sky Mother *Indo-European*

Slavic: (Perun) Sky Father and (Mokosh) Earth Mother *Indo-European*

Illyrian: (Deipaturos) Sky Father and (Messapic Damatura’s “earth-mother” maybe) Earth Mother *Indo-European*

Albanian: (Zojz) Sky Father and (?) *Indo-European*

Baltic: (Perkūnas) Sky Father and (Saulė) Sky Mother *Indo-European*

Germanic: (Týr) Sky Father and (?) *Indo-European*

Colombian-Muisca: (Bochica) Sky Father and (Huythaca) Sky Mother *Chibchan*

Aztec: (Quetzalcoatl) Sky Father and (Xochiquetzal) Sky Mother *Uto-Aztecan*

Incan: (Viracocha) Sky Father and (Mama Runtucaya) Sky Mother *Quechuan*

China: (Tian/Shangdi) Sky Father and (Dì) Earth Mother *Sino-Tibetan*

Sumerian, Assyrian and Babylonian: (An/Anu) Sky Father and (Ki) Earth Mother

Finnish: (Ukko) Sky Father and (Akka) Earth Mother *Finno-Ugric*

Sami: (Horagalles) Sky Father and (Ravdna) Earth Mother *Finno-Ugric*

Puebloan-Zuni: (Ápoyan Ta’chu) Sky Father and (Áwitelin Tsíta) Earth Mother

Puebloan-Hopi: (Tawa) Sky Father and (Kokyangwuti/Spider Woman/Grandmother) Earth Mother *Uto-Aztecan*

Puebloan-Navajo: (Tsohanoai) Sky Father and (Estsanatlehi) Earth Mother *Na-Dene*

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Sky Father/Sky Mother “High Gods” or similar gods/goddesses of the sky more loosely connected, seeming arcane mythology across the earth seen in Siberia, China, Europe, Native Americans/First Nations People and Mesopotamia, etc.

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Hinduism around 3,700 to 3,500 years old. ref

 Judaism around 3,450 or 3,250 years old. (The first writing in the bible was “Paleo-Hebrew” dated to around 3,000 years ago Khirbet Qeiyafa is the site of an ancient fortress city overlooking the Elah Valley. And many believe the religious Jewish texts were completed around 2,500) ref, ref

Judaism is around 3,450 or 3,250 years old. (“Paleo-Hebrew” 3,000 years ago and Torah 2,500 years ago)

“Judaism is an Abrahamic, its roots as an organized religion in the Middle East during the Bronze Age. Some scholars argue that modern Judaism evolved from Yahwism, the religion of ancient Israel and Judah, by the late 6th century BCE, and is thus considered to be one of the oldest monotheistic religions.” ref

“Yahwism is the name given by modern scholars to the religion of ancient Israel, essentially polytheistic, with a plethora of gods and goddesses. Heading the pantheon was Yahweh, the national god of the Israelite kingdoms of Israel and Judah, with his consort, the goddess Asherah; below them were second-tier gods and goddesses such as Baal, Shamash, Yarikh, Mot, and Astarte, all of whom had their own priests and prophets and numbered royalty among their devotees, and a third and fourth tier of minor divine beings, including the mal’ak, the messengers of the higher gods, who in later times became the angels of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Yahweh, however, was not the ‘original’ god of Israel “Isra-El”; it is El, the head of the Canaanite pantheon, whose name forms the basis of the name “Israel”, and none of the Old Testament patriarchs, the tribes of Israel, the Judges, or the earliest monarchs, have a Yahwistic theophoric name (i.e., one incorporating the name of Yahweh).” ref

“El is a Northwest Semitic word meaning “god” or “deity“, or referring (as a proper name) to any one of multiple major ancient Near Eastern deities. A rarer form, ‘ila, represents the predicate form in Old Akkadian and in Amorite. The word is derived from the Proto-Semitic *ʔil-, meaning “god”. Specific deities known as ‘El or ‘Il include the supreme god of the ancient Canaanite religion and the supreme god of East Semitic speakers in Mesopotamia’s Early Dynastic Period. ʼĒl is listed at the head of many pantheons. In some Canaanite and Ugaritic sources, ʼĒl played a role as father of the gods, of creation, or both. For example, in the Ugaritic texts, ʾil mlk is understood to mean “ʼĒl the King” but ʾil hd as “the god Hadad“. The Semitic root ʾlh (Arabic ʾilāh, Aramaic ʾAlāh, ʾElāh, Hebrew ʾelōah) may be ʾl with a parasitic h, and ʾl may be an abbreviated form of ʾlh. In Ugaritic the plural form meaning “gods” is ʾilhm, equivalent to Hebrew ʾelōhîm “powers”. In the Hebrew texts this word is interpreted as being semantically singular for “god” by biblical commentators. However the documentary hypothesis for the Old Testament (corresponds to the Jewish Torah) developed originally in the 1870s, identifies these that different authors – the Jahwist, Elohist, Deuteronomist, and the Priestly source – were responsible for editing stories from a polytheistic religion into those of a monotheistic religion. Inconsistencies that arise between monotheism and polytheism in the texts are reflective of this hypothesis.” ref

 

Jainism around 2,599 – 2,527 years old. ref

Confucianism around 2,600 – 2,551 years old. ref

Buddhism around 2,563/2,480 – 2,483/2,400 years old. ref

Christianity around 2,o00 years old. ref

Shinto around 1,305 years old. ref

Islam around 1407–1385 years old. ref

Sikhism around 548–478 years old. ref

Bahá’í around 200–125 years old. ref

Knowledge to Ponder: 

Stars/Astrology:

  • Possibly, around 30,000 years ago (in simpler form) to 6,000 years ago, Stars/Astrology are connected to Ancestors, Spirit Animals, and Deities.
  • The star also seems to be a possible proto-star for Star of Ishtar, Star of Inanna, or Star of Venus.
  • Around 7,000 to 6,000 years ago, Star Constellations/Astrology have connections to the “Kurgan phenomenon” of below-ground “mound” stone/wood burial structures and “Dolmen phenomenon” of above-ground stone burial structures.
  • Around 6,500–5,800 years ago, The Northern Levant migrations into Jordon and Israel in the Southern Levant brought new cultural and religious transfer from Turkey and Iran.
  • “The Ghassulian Star,” a mysterious 6,000-year-old mural from Jordan may have connections to the European paganstic kurgan/dolmens phenomenon.

“Astrology is a range of divinatory practices, recognized as pseudoscientific since the 18th century, that claim to discern information about human affairs and terrestrial events by studying the apparent positions of celestial objects. Different cultures have employed forms of astrology since at least the 2nd millennium BCE, these practices having originated in calendrical systems used to predict seasonal shifts and to interpret celestial cycles as signs of divine communications. Most, if not all, cultures have attached importance to what they observed in the sky, and some—such as the HindusChinese, and the Maya—developed elaborate systems for predicting terrestrial events from celestial observations. Western astrology, one of the oldest astrological systems still in use, can trace its roots to 19th–17th century BCE Mesopotamia, from where it spread to Ancient GreeceRome, the Islamicate world and eventually Central and Western Europe. Contemporary Western astrology is often associated with systems of horoscopes that purport to explain aspects of a person’s personality and predict significant events in their lives based on the positions of celestial objects; the majority of professional astrologers rely on such systems.” ref 

Around 5,500 years ago, Science evolves, The first evidence of science was 5,500 years ago and was demonstrated by a body of empirical, theoretical, and practical knowledge about the natural world. ref

Around 5,000 years ago, Origin of Logics is a Naturalistic Observation (principles of valid reasoning, inference, & demonstration) ref

Around 4,150 to 4,000 years ago: The earliest surviving versions of the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh, which was originally titled “He who Saw the Deep” (Sha naqba īmuru) or “Surpassing All Other Kings” (Shūtur eli sharrī) were written. ref

Hinduism:

  • 3,700 years ago or so, the oldest of the Hindu Vedas (scriptures), the Rig Veda was composed.
  • 3,500 years ago or so, the Vedic Age began in India after the collapse of the Indus Valley Civilization.

Judaism:

  • around 3,000 years ago, the first writing in the bible was “Paleo-Hebrew”
  • around 2,500 years ago, many believe the religious Jewish texts were completed

Myths: The bible inspired religion is not just one religion or one myth but a grouping of several religions and myths

  • Around 3,450 or 3,250 years ago, according to legend, is the traditionally accepted period in which the Israelite lawgiver, Moses, provided the Ten Commandments.
  • Around 2,500 to 2,400 years ago, a collection of ancient religious writings by the Israelites based primarily upon the Hebrew Bible, Tanakh, or Old Testament is the first part of Christianity’s bible.
  • Around 2,400 years ago, the most accepted hypothesis is that the canon was formed in stages, first the Pentateuch (Torah).
  • Around 2,140 to 2,116 years ago, the Prophets was written during the Hasmonean dynasty, and finally the remaining books.
  • Christians traditionally divide the Old Testament into four sections:
  • The first five books or Pentateuch (Torah).
  • The proposed history books telling the history of the Israelites from their conquest of Canaan to their defeat and exile in Babylon.
  • The poetic and proposed “Wisdom books” dealing, in various forms, with questions of good and evil in the world.
  • The books of the biblical prophets, warning of the consequences of turning away from God:
  • Henotheism:
  • Exodus 20:23 “You shall not make other gods besides Me (not saying there are no other gods just not to worship them); gods of silver or gods of gold, you shall not make for yourselves.”
  • Polytheism:
  • Judges 10:6 “Then the sons of Israel again did evil in the sight of the LORD, served the Baals and the Ashtaroth, the gods of Aram, the gods of Sidon, the gods of Moab, the gods of the sons of Ammon, and the gods of the Philistines; thus they forsook the LORD and did not serve Him.”
  • 1 Corinthians 8:5 “For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords.”
  • Monotheism:
  • Isaiah 43:10 “You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.

Around 2,570 to 2,270 Years Ago, there is a confirmation of atheistic doubting as well as atheistic thinking, mainly by Greek philosophers. However, doubting gods is likely as old as the invention of gods and should destroy the thinking that belief in god(s) is the “default belief”. The Greek word is apistos (a “not” and pistos “faithful,”), thus not faithful or faithless because one is unpersuaded and unconvinced by a god(s) claim. Short Definition: unbelieving, unbeliever, or unbelief.

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Expressions of Atheistic Thinking:

  • Around 2,600 years ago, Ajita Kesakambali, ancient Indian philosopher, who is the first known proponent of Indian materialism. ref
  • Around 2,535 to 2,475 years ago, Heraclitus, Greek pre-Socratic philosopher, a native of the Greek city Ephesus, Ionia, on the coast of Anatolia, also known as Asia Minor or modern Turkey. ref
  • Around 2,500 to 2,400 years ago, according to The Story of Civilization book series certain African pygmy tribes have no identifiable gods, spirits, or religious beliefs or rituals, and even what burials accrue are without ceremony. ref
  • Around 2,490 to 2,430 years ago, Empedocles, Greek pre-Socratic philosopher and a citizen of Agrigentum, a Greek city in Sicily. ref
  • Around 2,460 to 2,370 years ago, Democritus, Greek pre-Socratic philosopher considered to be the “father of modern science” possibly had some disbelief amounting to atheism. ref
  • Around 2,399 years ago or so, Socrates, a famous Greek philosopher was tried for sinfulness by teaching doubt of state gods. ref
  • Around 2,341 to 2,270 years ago, Epicurus, a Greek philosopher known for composing atheistic critics and famously stated, “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god?” ref

This last expression by Epicurus, seems to be an expression of Axiological Atheism. To understand and utilize value or actually possess “Value Conscious/Consciousness” to both give a strong moral “axiological” argument (the problem of evil) as well as use it to fortify humanism and positive ethical persuasion of human helping and care responsibilities. Because value-blindness gives rise to sociopathic/psychopathic evil.

“Theists, there has to be a god, as something can not come from nothing.”

Well, thus something (unknown) happened and then there was something. This does not tell us what the something that may have been involved with something coming from nothing. A supposed first cause, thus something (unknown) happened and then there was something is not an open invitation to claim it as known, neither is it justified to call or label such an unknown as anything, especially an unsubstantiated magical thinking belief born of mythology and religious storytelling.

How do they even know if there was nothing as a start outside our universe, could there not be other universes outside our own?
 
For all, we know there may have always been something past the supposed Big Bang we can’t see beyond, like our universe as one part of a mega system.

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While hallucinogens are associated with shamanism, it is alcohol that is associated with paganism.

The Atheist-Humanist-Leftist Revolutionaries Shows in the prehistory series:

Show one: Prehistory: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” the division of labor, power, rights, and recourses.

Show two: Pre-animism 300,000 years old and animism 100,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”

Show tree: Totemism 50,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”

Show four: Shamanism 30,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”

Show five: Paganism 12,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”

Show six: Emergence of hierarchy, sexism, slavery, and the new male god dominance: Paganism 7,000-5,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Capitalism) (World War 0) Elite and their slaves!

Show seven: Paganism 5,000 years old: progressed organized religion and the state: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Kings and the Rise of the State)

Show eight: Paganism 4,000 years old: Moralistic gods after the rise of Statism and often support Statism/Kings: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (First Moralistic gods, then the Origin time of Monotheism)

Prehistory: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” the division of labor, power, rights, and recourses: VIDEO

Pre-animism 300,000 years old and animism 100,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”: VIDEO

Totemism 50,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”: VIDEO

Shamanism 30,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism”: VIDEO

Paganism 12,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Pre-Capitalism): VIDEO

Paganism 7,000-5,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Capitalism) (World War 0) Elite and their slaves: VIEDO

Paganism 5,000 years old: progressed organized religion and the state: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (Kings and the Rise of the State): VIEDO

Paganism 4,000 years old: related to “Anarchism and Socialism” (First Moralistic gods, then the Origin time of Monotheism): VIEDO

I do not hate simply because I challenge and expose myths or lies any more than others being thought of as loving simply because of the protection and hiding from challenge their favored myths or lies.

The truth is best championed in the sunlight of challenge.

An archaeologist once said to me “Damien religion and culture are very different”

My response, So are you saying that was always that way, such as would you say Native Americans’ cultures are separate from their religions? And do you think it always was the way you believe?

I had said that religion was a cultural product. That is still how I see it and there are other archaeologists that think close to me as well. Gods too are the myths of cultures that did not understand science or the world around them, seeing magic/supernatural everywhere.

I personally think there is a goddess and not enough evidence to support a male god at Çatalhöyük but if there was both a male and female god and goddess then I know the kind of gods they were like Proto-Indo-European mythology.

This series idea was addressed in, Anarchist Teaching as Free Public Education or Free Education in the Public: VIDEO

Our 12 video series: Organized Oppression: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of power (9,000-4,000 years ago), is adapted from: The Complete and Concise History of the Sumerians and Early Bronze Age Mesopotamia (7000-2000 BC): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szFjxmY7jQA by “History with Cy

Show #1: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Samarra, Halaf, Ubaid)

Show #2: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Eridu: First City of Power)

Show #3: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Uruk and the First Cities)

Show #4: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (First Kings)

Show #5: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Early Dynastic Period)

Show #6: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (King Lugalzagesi and the First Empire)

Show #7: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Sargon and Akkadian Rule)

Show #8: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Naram-Sin, Post-Akkadian Rule, and the Gutians)

Show #9: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Gudea of Lagash and Utu-hegal)

Show #10: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Third Dynasty of Ur / Neo-Sumerian Empire)

Show #11: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Amorites, Elamites, and the End of an Era)

Show #12: Mesopotamian State Force and the Politics of Power (Aftermath and Legacy of Sumer)

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The “Atheist-Humanist-Leftist Revolutionaries”

Cory Johnston ☭ Ⓐ Atheist Leftist @Skepticallefty & I (Damien Marie AtHope) @AthopeMarie (my YouTube & related blog) are working jointly in atheist, antitheist, antireligionist, antifascist, anarchist, socialist, and humanist endeavors in our videos together, generally, every other Saturday.

Why Does Power Bring Responsibility?

Think, how often is it the powerless that start wars, oppress others, or commit genocide? So, I guess the question is to us all, to ask, how can power not carry responsibility in a humanity concept? I know I see the deep ethical responsibility that if there is power their must be a humanistic responsibility of ethical and empathic stewardship of that power. Will I be brave enough to be kind? Will I possess enough courage to be compassionate? Will my valor reach its height of empathy? I as everyone, earns our justified respect by our actions, that are good, ethical, just, protecting, and kind. Do I have enough self-respect to put my love for humanity’s flushing, over being brought down by some of its bad actors? May we all be the ones doing good actions in the world, to help human flourishing.

I create the world I want to live in, striving for flourishing. Which is not a place but a positive potential involvement and promotion; a life of humanist goal precision. To master oneself, also means mastering positive prosocial behaviors needed for human flourishing. I may have lost a god myth as an atheist, but I am happy to tell you, my friend, it is exactly because of that, leaving the mental terrorizer, god belief, that I truly regained my connected ethical as well as kind humanity.

Cory and I will talk about prehistory and theism, addressing the relevance to atheism, anarchism, and socialism.

At the same time as the rise of the male god, 7,000 years ago, there was also the very time there was the rise of violence, war, and clans to kingdoms, then empires, then states. It is all connected back to 7,000 years ago, and it moved across the world.

Cory Johnston: https://damienmarieathope.com/2021/04/cory-johnston-mind-of-a-skeptical-leftist/?v=32aec8db952d  

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Damien Marie AtHope (“At Hope”) Axiological Atheist, Anti-theist, Anti-religionist, Secular Humanist. Rationalist, Writer, Artist, Poet, Philosopher, Advocate, Activist, Psychology, and Armchair Archaeology/Anthropology/Historian.

Damien is interested in: Freedom, Liberty, Justice, Equality, Ethics, Humanism, Science, Atheism, Antiteism, Antireligionism, Ignosticism, Left-Libertarianism, Anarchism, Socialism, Mutualism, Axiology, Metaphysics, LGBTQI, Philosophy, Advocacy, Activism, Mental Health, Psychology, Archaeology, Social Work, Sexual Rights, Marriage Rights, Woman’s Rights, Gender Rights, Child Rights, Secular Rights, Race Equality, Ageism/Disability Equality, Etc. And a far-leftist, “Anarcho-Humanist.”

I am not a good fit in the atheist movement that is mostly pro-capitalist, I am anti-capitalist. Mostly pro-skeptic, I am a rationalist not valuing skepticism. Mostly pro-agnostic, I am anti-agnostic. Mostly limited to anti-Abrahamic religions, I am an anti-religionist.

My updated thoughts on the Evolution of Gods?
 
Animal protector tutelary deities at least 13,000/12,000 years ago, from old totems/spirit animal beliefs (tutelary animal spirits as protectors are at least 30,000 years old, as seen with dogs or dog-like animals) come first to me. Next, human sky/star/constellation deities focused representation on life-size or large nude male statues 11,000/10,000 years ago (Sky Father?), as well as small female figurines and female animal statues (Sky Mother?). Then, males (Hunter/Hurder) seem to lose some importance (Agriculture reliance may explain why), and the rise of Earth Mother (Gatherer becomes more important/powerful) female goddesses develop and are in control around 8,000 years ago. Women as the main power did not last long. Then male gods came roaring back about 7,000 to 5,000 years ago with clan wars. The “male god” seems to have forcefully become prominent/dominant around 7,000 years ago (Supreme Gods?). The “King of the Gods” idea likely is from the time of priest-kings 6,000 years ago. Whereas the now favored monotheism “male god” is more like after 4,000 years ago or so. Moralistic gods seem to relate to around 5,000/4,000 years ago, and monotheistic gods are last at around 4,000/3,000 years ago. Many monotheism-themed religions started in henotheism, emerging out of polytheism/paganism.
 
Gods?
“Animism” is needed to begin supernatural thinking.
“Totemism” is needed for supernatural thinking connecting human actions & related to clan/tribe.
“Shamanism” is needed for supernatural thinking to be controllable/changeable by special persons.
Together = Gods/paganism
 
Gods, like religions in general, are cultural products. To me, high gods, like “Sky Father” (Sun or Blue Sky usually, or Storm deities on the deity’s “dark side” like Yin and Yang) or “Sky Mother” (Moon or Stars) myths beliefs are at 39% when tested, in hunter-gatherers the world over.
The Evolution of Deities was not a one-and-done?
 
To me, the God of Sky, relating to stars 12,000 to 11,000 years ago, is older than the sun god of the sky 10,000 to maybe 11,000 years ago, but 10,000 seems more evident. Likewise, to me, the Mother Goddess of the sky was first 10,000 to maybe 11,000 years ago. All in the Middle East. Then, around 9,000 to 8,000, seemingly more evident 8,000 years ago, is the Earth Goddesses, also from the Middle East, likely once the Dawn goddesses or another goddess of the sky, possibly the night. Who dies in the childbirth of the Twins and by going to the underworld, is associated with the earth? Or is believed to live in the Earth at night, making her an Earth Goddess. These ideas were spread in several different ways, which impacted the entire world both directly and indirectly. It involved several different languages and DNA moving in different directions at various times. It is complicated and moving in different ways, even back and forth with different ideas moving both back and forth, especially in and out of the Middle East and Siberia.

Around 10,000 years ago, ideas went into Africa. Around 10,000 to 9,000 years ago, these ideas from the Middle East were in Siberia then moved to China and to the Americas by around 9,000 years ago. Religious ideas also left the Middle East from 9,000 to 8,000 years ago to Europe. Around 8,000 years ago, new ideas got to Ukraine but didn’t spread far. From 8,000 to 7,000 years ago, ideas again entered Africa with evolved beliefs from the Middle East. By 7,000 years ago, evolved deities from the Middle East moved again to Europe and Ukraine. And 7,000 years ago, the Siberian sun god of the sky, with a warrior culture, armed forts, and pre-kurgans, moved from Siberia to Ukraine and then returned to the Middle East around 6,000 years ago, influencing the Sumerian religious ideas. 6,000 to 5,000 years ago, these new Siberian influenced ideas from the Middle East were also in Africa. Then new evolved ideas moved back out of from Ukraine to the East by 5,500 to 5,000 years ago to Siberia, then China, and the Americas. Ideas from Ukraine went into Europe as well. Then, 5,000 to 4,000 years ago, the new ideas, now somewhat evolved again, from Siberia headed back to Europe, and so did ideas from the Middle East. ETC. This is just a rough outline to grasp some of the details, as I feel I understand them. There is a bit more, but this gives a good idea of how complicated it was.

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Damien Marie AtHope (Said as “At” “Hope”)/(Autodidact Polymath but not good at math):

Axiological Atheist, Anti-theist, Anti-religionist, Secular Humanist, Rationalist, Writer, Artist, Jeweler, Poet, “autodidact” Philosopher, schooled in Psychology, and “autodidact” Armchair Archaeology/Anthropology/Pre-Historian (Knowledgeable in the range of: 1 million to 5,000/4,000 years ago). I am an anarchist socialist politically. Reasons for or Types of Atheism

My Website, My Blog, & Short-writing or QuotesMy YouTube, Twitter: @AthopeMarie, and My Email: damien.marie.athope@gmail.com

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